And if the key is going south and we have been wiping over 5 times on the same boss because healer or dps can’t do mechanics and wont improve, why should I be penalized for leaving in that case? Why hold me as hostage to a key completion that either wont happen or will take a ridiculous 4 hours to do?
Maybe start by setting the goals straight from the get-go. If you state you want the key to still complete if timer fails, most people will understand and either stay or will drop from the group before key begins. You have the responsability as the leader to set the expectations of the key.
Is this happening in a +6 that is very clear will be finished, or are they doing it after wiping on the 2nd boss for 10 minutes and the timer is missed?
Odds are they are just lying about why they are leaving.
bad take…the game doens’t have Wrath populations anymore so the player population is already limited. Most people dont want to spend all night on keys and/or their guild doens’t make a scheduled set of runs (they usually raid) I want to do them when I want to do them, not when all my east coast freinds are off work and i’m still at work. I dont USUALLY have issues pugging but honestly it’s about 60% good groups and 40% bad. I am never the first to bail on a keyholder. The keyholder shouldn’t be punished when someone they trusted essentially betrays them and leaves.
We can do this all day but @ the end of the day, they need to do something. I’d be FINE with not punishing people and just NOT letting keys deplete when someoen leaves. Again, Problem Solved.
and they’d get nothing…so its not exactly like it would be gamebreaking but the keyholder isn’t left being punished when someone bailed on the group.
So …not sure what you were aiming for in that response.
While creating the problem of players who wind up over their head with their key being allowed to continue to attempt a key they aren’t capable of timing. Depleting because of a random leaver sucks, but granting immunity from depletion due to a leaver allows players a path to never return to a key level that’s appropriate for them. There would be fewer keys at lower levels to pick from and more hopeless higher key levels that are doomed from the start.
I could live with there being a charge system to key depletion such that a single bad apple doesn’t immediately drop your key. But a system where the key never depletes unless the person is self-aware enough to do so manually will result in a much worse environment.
hmmm…now that is something I never thought of…
then maybe the original idea of giving a deserter debuff even if its just 10m …i dunno.
I just feel awful for the people who are holding the key and then get punished when someone bails.
I do too, but this runs into another, probably more serious problem. Right now, the ability to leave at any point is a powerful anti-trolling measure. The moment somebody becomes toxic toward me or the group, or was clearly not ready for that level of content, I can leave without punishment. This creates a hefty deterrent for players to perform these anti-team things.
that’s exactly what these folks want. their goal is to be able to just push their own key up through brute force, repeatedly re-forming until they get a group that’s capable of carrying them to the loot they feel they deserve.