We’ve had 2 expansions centred around her. I get it, she seems to rake in a lot of money book wise, but it’s getting tiresome. I want to know more about Baine, Calia, Gelbin Mekkatorque, the council of Three hammers, whoever the leader of the trolls is now. In other words, characters consistently skipped over or used more as supporting characters… and the first two are in the shadowlands doing… something?
Please, for the love of god, at least 3 expansions where Sylvanas doesn’t appear.
They completely erased an entire fan favorite playable race from the game and story in the most disrespectful and humiliating ways possible just for Sylvanas
Night Elves aren’t extinct, but your ceaseless whinging is starting to make me wish they were. Drop it, already.
I do agree it is time to retire Sylvanas for good.
One expansion is probably the most you’d get without her, if the Forsaken are every addressed she kind of has to appear so that whole situation can be settled.
Oh yea, they have like that handful of survivors that still exist in the lore and they can rot on the streets of Stormwind. The others don’t even exist as souls anymore.
Seeing as Elegy said the escaping Night Elves flooded Stormwind and poured out into the streets… by only a hand full, you must mean Sargeras’s huge hand.
What situation? Personally I’d rather see the Forsaken resolve their issues whatever they are on their own.
As much as I loath it not being visually reflected in game, canonically, the Kaldorei have left Stormwind and regrouped on Mount Hyjal, where they are rebuilding a new base of power. Likely in the next expansion they will be removed from Stormwind. Just Say’n.
Namely the situation that she abandoned them? The Forsaken at least deserve to decide how to actually feel about her now being repentant.
Even moreso the Dark Rangers, who were in many cases her comrades in life.
And of course the Undead Sentinels need to be able to get there own closure (no doubt Delaryn would be an interesting conversation).
I only ever heard about Tyrande having a meeting with Thrall there, and nothing about Night Elves in Hyjal is mentioned in Exploring Kalimdor as far as I remember.
Still, the thing that bothers me the most is that the vast majority of night elves were killed, tortured and obliterated in the maw.
That has to be the most gross aspect of the story by far.
Honestly I’d prefer she just stays in shadowlands and has nothing more to do with the forsaken and they move on without her. Undead sentinels along with Derek can go with Calia and join the Argent Dawn/Crusade.
I actually think of all the undead they introduced in BFA he has the most potential for the Forsaken. Ignoring the fact its illogical his corpse existed to begin with, his experience is far closer to that of the normal Forsaken.
Zelling was also a character with great potential, but sadly killed off for shock value soon after his introduction ( still salty about this )
As for Derek, I think the biggest gripe people have with him is that he was re-inserted into the story in such a clumsy and illogical way, and only to once more hammer home the message what a terrible, irredeemable monster Sylvanas had become- at a point when we really didn’t need any more comfirmation of the fact.
But if you ignore the ludicrous circumstances of his ressurrection, both he and Zelling really make good examples for what it means to be Forsaken in the first place- namely that you will be rejected by the living, even your closest family members.
Jaina might have been happy that we returned Derek to her, but she still told him right away that he cannot come home anymore.
I’m with you there. Look, I get it, the Horde’s whole cast is treated by the current devs as disposable, either sidekicks or future villains. Our faction leaders are either evil or incompetent, subservient to the Alliance when not killing the Alliance. I understand that.
But at least introduce some new future sidekicks/villains and give them some time to grow. Don’t give us the first new and semi-prominent forsaken character in years, only to take them away six months later. You can make Baine sad some other way. I don’t know, maybe have Sylvanas say Anduin doesn’t like him anymore.
Just don’t sacrifice our characters just as we start to bond with them. Let them develop into the proper sidekicks and villains you need them to be.
Sidenote, I think I need less sodium in my snacks, I’m feeling pretty salty suddenly.
If that’s not the sad truth 
I’m lucky that as a troll fan I can still respect my leader after bfa. Rokhan helped bringing the Zandalari into the horde and was otherwise happy enough to fight the alliance on all fronts, without coming off as morally corrupt or a hypocrite.
The downside is that people like OP still don’t seem to know that he is the new Darkspear leader, and that he will probably never get a unique model, but I gladly take this over “character development” a la Baine 
I think Sylvanas is alright, I wouldn’t count myself among her die hard fans. I do love how she seems to trigger so many self-entitled folks. But there isn’t much reason to bring her back. Maybe it is best to just send her away for a while. Maybe an expac or two.
I thought the idea of a Grudge Match at Silvermoon would have been cool. With Arthas back in the Alliance attacking again, and Sylvanas returning to the Horde and defending it from him. But she told Arthas to “be gone”, and that is that.
Maybe the Forsaken can have a chance to be something of their own. Whether they lean into the Lordaeron thing, or get adopted by the Primus as part of his spooky family.
I am not against Sylvanas, and I am not joining the chorus of folks against her. But she does seem to hog the spotlight when she is on the stage, and she has been front and center for 3 expacs in a row.
Maybe it would be prudent to focus on different aspect of the franchise. But she is not the only offender. Jaina needs to sit out an expac or 2 herself. Thrall can go away. Anduin too. The lot of them.
If we’re indeed heading back to Azeroth and it’s not a dragon related expac, I think it would do the game a lot of good to see races like the forsaken and gilneans/worgen reclaiming territory and solidifying their holdings. Have Arathi come in to it’s own as a nation again.
Anything really that gets us away from Stormwind and Anduin, Jaina and the others for a year and a half. 
I don’t think Anduin will play a part in the next expansion; he is going to have some serious processing do to with what he has been through. That he hasn’t had a nervous breakdown is in and of itself kinda amazing.
Nice thing about the Dragon isles is the dragons are fairly faction neutral, at least.
I’m torn whether they’d still reduce a Dragon Isles expac into orcs v humans or run with elves + tauren like broken isles did (people whining about elf fatigue would be glorious)
The temptation to pull even more age of man nonsense than Dragon Soul did in Cata must be huge for the current writers
Sylvanas is actually the perfect poster child for World of Warcraft.
The plumes of toxic smoke billowing up from her pile of torched potential neatly lines up with WoW as a whole.
She was cruel and ruthless, but her kindness to her people belied an inner warmth that would occasionally flair up like with her cracking a smile during Children’s Week or that Lament of the Highborne upon seeing a momento of better days.
I was very interested to see where they took her character in a post Lich King world and man was it ever clever meta foreshadowing that they flung her off a cliff.
I’d tried to warn people that Edge Of Night was criminal and did you think that was but the impotent wailing of a butthurt Forsaken fan?
I mean it absolutely was. But as Shadowlands has served as basically it’s sequel I think I was on to something.
There’s a version of this story where Sylvanas could’ve been a legitimately interesting character. An immensely tired and profoundly sad woman putting on this deathly veneer because she accidentally became founding mother to not just a new nation but practically a new species.
Of course she makes bad calls. She didn’t ask for this and being Ranger General might’ve given her some leadership career skills but there is no training for this sort of thing. She’s flying completely blind and just trying to make this work as best she can.
Cunning, capable and even conniving when it suits her but still a fundamentally human character who isn’t really trying to do good or evil, just what’s best for her and hers in a world that may always fear and revile them no matter what. And the worst part is she can’t even have a good cathartic scream about it because that might tear the soul out’ve whoever stumbles into earshot.
But that might’ve been interesting. Instead we got whatever this trash fire is.