I’m not the first to have this idea, but having shockwave more accessible would drastically up our group utility in M+ without breaking the class. I would not want it to share a node with storm bolt, I feel as if it wouldn’t break the class to have access to both. I am also strictly coming from a PVE perspective so I don’t know how this would affect pvp, although it looks like all stuns are getting nerfed for pvp so maybe it wouldn’t even matter that much.
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Personally I think warrior is in a good place right now. Don’t jinx us by tempting the Nerf-Loving Almighty Gods with your blasphemy.
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Warriors are only in a good place numerically. Horrible lack of utility makes it so there’s no reason to ever bring more than one warrior unless they’re the current meta. Button bloat is still an issue. Wasted talent choices and arbitrary pathing is still an issue.
Almost every class could use a 10.0.7 Paladin-tier reshuffle / pruning. I don’t understand what the the dev’s irrational hateboner for Classic / WotLK style talent trees are. Even with all the button bloat in “Classic” due to previous technological limitations, its still manages to feel less bloated than modern WoW. Class and spec design has been a terrible mess of a rollercoaster since Cata all for the sake of feeling the need to punish player agency and treat players like they’re too stupid to “spec properly”.
As far as what to do with Shockwave – It should be a choice node with Storm Bolt. Storm Bolt itself shouldn’t even exist anymore–it should be combined with Shattering Throw, and either Stun or Break absorb/immunity, dealing 500% increased damage to Absorb shields or Stun immune enemies. Both Shockwave and Shattering Throw should have the same cooldown (somewhere around 30sec and 60sec). And get rid of the stupid cast time on Shattering Throw already.
Bring back old Dragon Roar (with aoe knockdown) while we’re at it and make it a choice node with Intimidating Shout.
Get rid Thunderous Roar and Shockwave nodes on the bottom of the three and add connections to Avatar and Spear of Bastion. Avatar’s choice node for Torment of the Ancient King is unchanged, whereas Spear of Bastion becomes a choice node between Ravager or Spear of Bastion. Any Spec tree that also has Ravager gains an additional charge, and Storm of Steel just doubles the rage generation, or maybe give it the Abom Limb treatment and make it so Ravager sticks to your body.
Rend should enhance or replace Hamstring. Long overdue–nearly 20 years even.
I could keep going, but this thread is about shockwave, and I’ve rambled enough.
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Reason why I don’t think it should share a node with stormbolt is other classes still have more than one stun, I want to be on par with them in that category.
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so would you trade in your dps for more utility then? Coz you can already do that now by picking shockwave in the class tree.
Unless you are saying you want more utilities without scraficing dps coz it should like you want warrior to be good in both while other class struggle.
I wouldn’t mind it in pvp either 
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Thats correct, other classes contribute equal or more dps AND bring utility, that is what I am asking for - more utility and not give up dps.
Yes I want damage and utility, the same as other classes, specifically monk, Demon Hunter, Ret Paladin, Enh Shaman
Then every take class needs to be as OP as port warrior and every melee needs to be as OP as fury and Arms warrior in both PvE and PvP and also needs to have good leech and def CD as well.
Fury and arms are not “OP” in pvp, specifically M+ - which is what this thread is about. Do you want me to list out every other melee class and why it’s better/preferred over warrior or are you just here to argue because you perceive warrior being “op”. DPS warrior is severely behind its melee dps brothers in terms of utility and does comprable damage. We are NOT the beast masters of Melee - doing crazy damage and not bringing much else. We are doing “Adequate” damage and not bringing much else.
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IDK they are cheap of SV hunter, Frost DK and have better ST than WW, HDH even DPS warrior is spec into AOE. Then you have protection warrior who is better than a VDH Brew bdk guardian druid. Have all the underperform class up to dps warrior level and up all tanks to prot warrior.
Really like a lot of the ideas here, but the one that stands out to me the most is about Ravager. Getting to use it like Abomb limb (or Fury of Air, RIP </3 ) would be super fun - especially with Hurricane talented, since it’d make the speed and strength it provides feel more enjoyable.
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You’re still going on about this? Why do you try to make absolutely everything into a “I hate Prot Warrior” thread? Go whine in the Druid forums or something.
The best place to move it would be for them to just get rid of Cacophonous roar and put shockwave there. Rumbling earth and Sonic boom would be a one or the other node under it. Menace could be moved to Prot tree.
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I am not a super technical person understanding where exactly it should go but those sound like solid places for it.
Every1 want prot paladin now. I barely get invited to keys as prot warrior anymore
Oh and nobody want dps warrior either
GG, great design
Dead class
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Sounds like a player skill issue. Prot Warrior saw plenty of play in MDI. Arms and Fury do great dps.
Must be you.
Personally, I like the way the warrior class is. It’s really not the same as vanilla/legacy or Burning Crusade, but that’s fine.
Just saying each shammy have way more button to press
I’m game. I really like to talents to modify shockwave though. It’d be neat to be able to keep the CDR and damage buff components, maybe combined in one talent.
Another glorious idea, and I think it was mentioned somewhere before. Give Shockwave a capstone to turn it into Ancient Aftershock. That would be fantastic.
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