I think many of us would like to see mythic + return as an option for challenging fun for all instead of elite fanbois.
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Delves already bring the elitists to tears. Iād love to see M+ be nerfed so more tears can fall.
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You donāt speak for me.
And Iām perfectly fine in the end game pillar they just gave me. Much more enjoyable without timers and pugs.
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Thus, the phrase āI think many of usā instead of all of us. 
Iām glad you enjoy them. Many do not.
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Imho they should undo the squish
There was nothing wrong with +2s-11s for learning
+12s-19s for honing
and +20s and above for title pushing
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M+ is end game xontent its not ment to be easy
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We have no basis for āmanyā or āfew.ā
Letās not make up numbers to further a narrative. Youāre perfectly capable of standing behind your opinions without trying to use others to prop it up.
Your opinion is valid on its own just for you.
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IF theres anything that should happen itās to have a better intermediary step leading to M+; like most people arenāt bothering with Zeroes and heroics donāt do nearly enough to prep players for Mythic.
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No one said it was supposed to be easy. Where did I say those words?
Yep the curve is too steep. It makes things too discouraging and frustrating.
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Thank you so much for explaining that logic to me. It is very helpful.
The title of your thread
That is your interpretation of what I said. Your interpretation is your stuff, not mine.
Isnāt it already for both?
āregularā players will get where they can and hit a skill wall. Elites will go further than āregularsā - no? arenāt both groups covered?
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Low keys used to be mythic+ for regular gamers before they removed those difficulties.
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The very concept of M+ is for Hypercompetitive sweat lordsā¦Iām fine with leaving it that way to give them something to doā¦but I would like to see more Follower Dungeons and more Delves, if Blizzard does that the Try Hards can have M+ā¦I mean who cares?
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The problem seems to be that the M+ runners are not evenly spread. Hardly anyone wants to run M0 after they can run M2+ since M0 gear is not great. Also the costs in repair bills makes it unrewarding to run any M+ levels below your current max since you just burn up money on repairs and potions with no chance of reward. If the gold awarded at the end of a successful run would at least pay for the repairs that would be a start. If it were at least break even I would not mind helping people run lower keys on occasion.
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this ^^^^ a million times. I preferred having a smoother difficulty curve.
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If you need a smoother difficulty curve than a very basic current 1-2 (Previous 10-12), that already should tell you what content is tailored to you as is. And its likely not M+, which is why we now have delves. By all means dip your toes into the pool but really lets not pretend like this is a system issue and not a skill issue.
Are you just coming here to start an argument for the sake of starting an argument? We get you donāt like M+; youāre rather vocal about it. No one cares. OP didnāt even once mention delves, so I donāt know why youāre bringing them up as though this is an attack on their existence.
Itās like OP said āThat car is green!ā And you popping in āThat motorcycle is not blue!ā 
He didnāt claim to speak for everyoneāhe said āmany,ā which just means a significant number of people. If you donāt agree or feel included, thatās totally fine, but thereās no need to turn this into a disagreement where none exists.
āManyā is a relative term, not a hard statistic. Itās commonly used in conversation to express that more than a few people share a sentiment. The OP didnāt claim a specific number or try to prop up a ānarrativeā; they simply used everyday language to share their opinion. Letās not overcomplicate this or derail the discussion with unnecessary nitpicking.
My friends and I were talking last night and we agree; this season of M+ has just not been fun. I basically quit playing last week and just played other classes because I was getting so fed up with people in keys. Across my different toons last week I managed to not complete 6 different keys. Thatās MORE keys in one week than I didnāt complete all of dragonflight. Now, maybe thatās on me for not healing those 6 keys (every key I healed last week I completed and timed lol) and watching some of these healers struggle bus. But lord have mercy, coming from DF where I did several thousand keys (because I was having a fun time running them) to this season has just been severely off-putting. Honestly, I think a large portion of it is their stupid change to stops interrupting casting. This whole immediately re-casting thing is just absolutely annoying, and apparently once you branch into the 8+ territory if you arenāt decent at healing then itās gonna be a struggle bus runā¦ cause Iāve seen healers who were as geared as me that couldnāt manage to heal Coagulation boss in COT on 6-9 keys when Iāve healed it on 9-10.
I think part of that is people rolling healers cause they can get the faster āQā times into groupsā¦ But booooy is that painful. I also learned to inspect groups I join and be āthat guyā now that leaves when thereās severely undergeared playersā¦ cause I didnāt do that yesterday and we were in a 6 with a 579 MW monkā¦ who couldnāt stay alive (literally died every single boss fight, and I had to finish out the last 15% with 1-2 DPS, if they could keep themselves up, as my BDK). We got to last boss, depleted the 6 and wiped 6 times before I left (cause I was out of time and had to get my kids). It was a huge waste of timeā¦
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