Just Boss’s without trash, BEST design ever. From smolderon to fyrakk!!
I am serious! Trash is nothing but huge time waster. BOE farming is stupid and should put BOE farming in open world like classic WoW.
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Trash doesnt make the game fun
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Some trash is ok. It helps tell the story of the raid. When it makes sense to have trash, there will be trash. That’s usually the case.
They just need to make the trash not miserable to fight. You’re probably going to have some people handling loot off the last boss, taking a bio break, etc., and that shouldn’t be a hindrance to killing the trash–it should be extremely easy imo.
I do not, under any circumstances, want raid BOEs to come from the open world. That would be terrible. But they should finally enact their plan from 9.1 to make BOEs only drop from lieutenants on a weekly lockout, so there can be no farming for them.
I will say that being able to mount (and therefore repair) at the last two, and resurrecting at those two bosses, is wonderful.
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Agree with OP.
After 20 years of raiding, I’ve never heard anyone say, “Hey, you know what would make this raid way more fun? If it had a ton more TRASH.”
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I think that’s why FFXIV’s raiding design is popular. It’s just bosses, no trash mobs. Alliance Raids are where you see the trash packs. Normal raids though. It’s just boss fights.
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Some trash is fine. But for the most part they’re just a big time suck. Also, enough with the run backs. If we wipe at the boss we should be able to spawn at the boss when we release
All buffs should also last through death
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I dislike them until I get a BoE then I’m grateful for their existence.
I think my take would be if they did remove trash to atleast still have the mini bosses with guarantee or near guarantee to drop a BoE.
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Some people gotta remember when they did it in Wotlk with ToC.
There needs to be a balance between Hyjal and ToC so raids are not 30min speedruns that are barely fulfilling unless you play 8 alts while not feeling that you’re doing more trash than bosses.
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Yeah the argent colosseum was such a big hit.
I think as a concept, trash only really works when it it feels relevant to imply you are storming the raid with a small army while also not being long and annoying.
Oftentimes, the former is fine while the latter is annoying, especially on reclears. Trash isnt annoying on say LFR because its lfr and they fall down super easy but i expect at higher levels they still fall over but are juuuust long enough to be annoying.
Id say WoW could probably do without trash but its needed to give their raids scale which their boss rights, for whatever reason dont tend to provide on their own.
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Been playing since vanilla and trash packs are no longer fun. Getting really old switching from my AoE spec for the annoying trash back to my ST spec for the boss. They are huge time wasters too. The average WoW player is a fully fledged adult and it’s a drag to have our time wasted when we can only play for so long each week. Also really annoying when someone lusts for a particularly annoying pack only for no one to reset the boss.
Are you SUPER SERIOUS!!!