Please Make a Torghast Alternative

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Please don’t lock things necessary for PVP (legendaries) behind content like Torghast. The PVP community is tired of being force fed PVE content that requires a few hours a week to do, every week, complimented by even worse systems like Essences, Azerite, M+ chests, cloak upgrading, etc… We just want to be able to queue up arenas or RBGs and not have to participate in content we have no desire to do just to be competitive in the content we enjoy playing.

So if you’re going to have crossover between Torghast rewards and PVP, make them available through PVP as well. The least you can do since you’ve totally shafted the PVP community in BFA.

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Now you know how we PVE’rs feel about our BIS essences locked behind PVP, suffer like we did :roll_eyes:

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That goes both ways, though. While I dabble in both PvE and PvP (so it doesn’t bother me too much), there’s plenty of PvE-exclusive folks who’d rather not get stomped in PvP just to get their BiS.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOL SUFFER LIKE YOU?

Memory of Lucid Dreams - PVE content
Unbound Force - PVE Content
Visions of Perfection - PVE Content
Dying Breath - PVE Content
Essence of the Focusing Iris - PVE Content
Condensed Life Force - PVE Content

And those are just the DPS ones. Then there is the myriad of healer ones locked behind that too. You have no idea how hard PVP got shafted this expansion. You’re crying about Conflict and Strife and what, Blood of the Enemy? 1600 in arena is like… literally free.

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How easy it is isn’t relevant, PvE players look at arena the same way you look at Visions and Torghast. They don’t even want to touch them.

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Nah I just think that attitude is remarkably stupid, and he is incredibly misinformed.

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One of my BIS essences is the one that gives versatility from PVP, so yeah. I get easily tilted if I lose too much so it sucks.

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They need to stop locking PvE upgrades behind PvP. No one wants to do it or should be forced to

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You can get that essence in a matter of like 3 hours TOTAL. Every other essence required more than that. Furthermore PVE has the BIS items for pretty much every spec in the game for arena so you’re constantly pressured into raiding and doing m+ to remain competitive throughout the season.

Raden Weapon for DH/Monk
Cut of Death - Any 2h Melee
Maut Staff - Feral/Guardian
Obsidian Claw - RMX comps and all healers
Vita Trinket - Warlocks, Spriest
The list can go on for ages…

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I’d rather Torghast be mandatory than M+

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WoW is a primarily pve game so probably not it’s already stupid that essences are locked behind PvP

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I think at least they will give you a box based on what you’re best at. ie if you’re 2400 you’d get a 475 cache even if you did an m11 only for the week. So they combined them. However, 2400 is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than any 15 so… m+ is still mandatory for 99% of the PVP community.

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Like Dalkara said, WoW is first and foremost a PVE game, with a side dish of PVP. The majority of the playerbase is PVE.

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Okay what’s your point? Why should the PVP playerbase be forced to PVE the entire expansion to be competitive in PVE?

Yeah I agree essences locked behind PVE are dumb too.

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Can you name an MMORPG that has never forced PVP’rs to PVE or put PVP first? None exist like that.

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IDK I didn’t PVP in other MMOs nor know them well now. Why would that be an issue? I don’t get why you’re hellbent on wanting to let PVPers have PVP options to play in PVP.

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Okay, the majority doesn’t need their PvE gear to make them good at PvP then, if they don’t PvP.

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You also shouldn’t be able to get the best possible gear equivalent to PVE gear in terms of ilvl/stats from just killing other players. That gear should be locked behind PVE challenging content like M+ and raiding. There’s no challenge in killing other players, there is in scaling pve content that can be modified to make it hard.

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Too late , enjoy pve to pvp again :+1:

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If you think M+15 keys are harder than 2400 arenas you’re a lost cause.

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