With the new upgrade system it’s a shame that we still can’t upgrade gear properly. Everything in M+ S2 that drops below a +17 is practically useless, and I’d better be extremely lucky that I get the correct mythic track item from the vault that I can upgrade to max level.
I got a 437 8/8 bis item, realistically speaking I won’t ever get this in a vault on mythic track, and I’d be damn lucky if I even see this drop on a level where I can go to 441 max. Same goes for raid. BiS trinket isn’t accessible for me due to dropping from sark, but I got the heroic version. That means that unless I somehow manage to get CE, I will be permanently behind in M+.
Please add an item to the vault coin vendor for either 6 coins that lets us upgrade all items to a new track. If I got an 8/8 champion item, I should be able to use that item and make it 4/5 (for all I care including flightstones for 1 → 4). For Hero → Mythic it could even be 12 tokens, but at least we’ll have a somewhat realistic way to target items and upgrades without having to rely on a massive loot pool and the ability to dedicate yourself to Mythic end-game mythic raiding just to do completely different content.
Of course this goes for Mythic raiders as well. They can actually target Mythic 3/3 M+ items this way without having to do 8/8 dungeons every single week for the rest of the Tier if they got a lower track BiS item.
Imo this is a fair way where both M+ers and Raiders benefit while not making it possible to spam dungeons for free mythic track gear.
I’m not asking for free gear, I’m asking for a deterministic way to target items!
For those that will inevitably bring up the argument: “But people who don’t kill mythic last boss shouldn’t get access to the highest ilvl trinkets”, what are you afraid of? If they are bad players they won’t be able to use it to their full potential anyway. If they are good players, their skill shouldn’t be capped behind ilvl due to not being able to dedicate themselves fully to (close to) e-sports levels of gaming.
The whole point of the tracks is to discourage the degenerate behavior that happened in S1, where you’d farm +2-3s for an item and then just dump valor into them to make them BiS. If you want the best gear, you’re going to have to do the appropriate difficulty level for them.
You still need aspect tokens to upgrade it to 441 (for example), so that doesn’t change. Upgrading to the next track always requires you to have maxed previous track, which requires crests of the difficulty you’re playing at.
Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me at face value, others may convince me, though. Regardless, I don’t really see Blizzard implementing it either. Time will tell, I suppose.
There’s no reason to lock BiS gear behind unreachable content. I will never get CE because I can’t dedicate the time and effort to a CE guild, but I can push M+ just fine. I shouldn’t be on lower ilvl gear simply because I don’t do the raid content at that level.
Result is a combination of skill, time, and effort.
Good players shouldn’t be locked out because of time and effort.
Bad players won’t magically get better because of better gear.
So why not let good players use time to compensate for effort, and why not let bad players compensate skill with time?
Yes you should. If you aren’t running it, you don’t have access to it. There are plenty of other trinkets out there for you if you absolutely need those 4 lousy ilevels. That one isn’t going to destroy your chances at running higher keys.
If you don’t Mythic raid, you don’t get Mythic raid drops. There absolutely should be some bit of separation between M+ and raid rewards.
Big fat lie. The difference between trinkets is so big that a 4ilvl difference is often better at a BiS trinket at lower ilvl.
Every bit helps, especially as higher ilvls are of more value than lower ilvls. If it’s only “4 lousy” ilvls, why are you gatekeeping them anyway? Just let me get my 447 item 3 months into the patch. It doesn’t hurt you, or are you afraid people are going to get higher M+ score when on equal grounds? Skill should matter, and being handicapped by lower ilvl shouldn’t be a thing at +20 and higher.
Then M+ gear should never be BiS for raid, and raid gear should never be BiS for M+. This is not the reality however, so it should be made possible to not be stuck on 441 ilvl with items due to RNG or not being able to play at e-sports levels of organization for raid.
in full honesty this new upgrading system is way better than before. now yes there are some pains of item getting via the keys or from bosses but it does force players to go and do the content of the difficulty of gear they want. This promotes higher keys/Mythic raids for the best gear.
However you can’t ask the game dev’s to hand people that gear. There should NEVER be away to do like season 1 were you farm the weakest content and can instantly get anything you want bis and make it so.
Learn to read, I explicitly said it’s not about free gear, it’s about being able to upgrade the gear you’ve already farmed, without hitting a max upgrade level.
Nothing changes. You can upgrade an existing item to a new track instead of picking an item in the vault.
Do you people even read what I wrote?
blabla, go gatekeep more. Not my fault that my BiS trinket is behind the last boss instead of the first boss. Not a raider’s fault that the only way to get the 447 version of a 441 M+ weapon is to be lucky in the vault with a massive loot pool.
Imagine farming a 447 trinket that you got on 441, and it just never drops. After a few months you could actually upgrade your 441 to 447 if your vault is bad. It’s nothing more than adding a socket to an item. Heck, if they make such an upgrade 12 tokens instead of 6, you need 2 weeks for a 441 → 447 upgrade.
this is the same… you just refuse to acknowledge it because you want your gear to be upgraded to max without doing the content… YOu want your Beacon from sark upgraded without killing him. Its not hard to guess what exactly is going on.
Aka you want to free gear because you can’t get it to drop from the actual difficulty, or you don’t kill the target giving the option in the vault/drop…
you’re an open book on what you want and what you are attempting to go to. as your reply to sendryn just confirms it. you want gear you are not able to get without doing that content. No matter how hard you attempt to sell it it would reduce the whole end of season to everyone doing lower content to get said item to be upgraded to max ilvl possible… and blizzard isn’t going back to season 1 style of upgrading freely from weakest to strongest
Of course I want my beacon upgraded. Why shouldn’t I? I’m 7/9 and I won’t ever get to get that last bit of 447 gear. This means that I’m always at a disadvantage in M+ compared to people who do have access to a mythic sark trinket. I shouldn’t be at a disadvantage in M+ because of raid.
Be more obtuse please. There’s no realistic way I’m going to see a Mythic bomb dispenser despite having killed Zskarn. Why should I be permanently stuck on heroic max?
Make more assumptions, and be wrong some more. I farm M+ for 447 Bile-Stained Crawg Tusks, but there’s no deterministic way to get there. I’m still stuck with 437, and even if I were to get it from a drop, I’d be stuck with 441. The game should offer a reliable upgrade path to 447. Either I can be extremely lucky in the vault, or I can never see it, it shouldn’t be up to this much RNG to get an item I’ve deserved by now.
The end of the season is dead, who cares if people get Mythic level gear, at least there’s some fun to be had and people can keep playing a bit longer. 2 of my raid teams already stopped playing because there’s no point in farming bosses the last ~2 months for gear. I stopped farming M+ because there’s just no way to get that few ilvls extra without being extremely lucky and only be able to use it for a few more weeks.
You can try to make this about gear “I don’t deserve”, but actually do deserve this gear. I’ve farmed for it. I’ve killed the bosses. I’ve done the M+ dungeons on 20+. I’ve earned my M+ score. I’m at the position where having to rely on RNG to get the proper ilvls shouldn’t be a thing anymore. At 7/9 there’s also no reason to gatekeep last boss trinkets.
It doesn’t hurt anyone if I can have some fun at max ilvl at the end of the patch. Just give me the last few ilvls and let me push the end of the season. This is a game, it’s not getting social benefits you’ve not earned under tax fraud
Unless you’re doing +25s then the difference doesn’t matter.
RNG is RNG. Though I doubt you’ve cleared that far on mythic anyway.
It does, but only if you do the content at a high enough level.
The people who worked to get their gear care that their effort isn’t devalued, at least not until a new season when they can upgrade to the next mythic raid level of loot.
The last two bosses are the toughest ones, and they drop the best gear, so there is good reason to keep them “locked up”.
Hurts anyone who actually spent the time and effort to get the gear earlier in the season.
So you want free ilvls because you want it rather than earned it. AKA your only 7/9 so you shouldn’t get the best level of trinket because you aren’t able to kill the boss.
doesn’t hurt anyones fun level but it devalues their struggle to do what you can not. Its a slap to their face that you want a system that would undervalue their effort to get the boss down and that loot themselves
Incorrect. It matters at your own personal ceiling. If my ceiling is a +15, it might help me get a +16. If my ceiling is a +25 it might help me get a +26.
Not on the alt I need it on, I have on my (old) main. But I honestly don’t care about what you believe here.
What’s “high enough level” according to you?
Every person that gets a BiS item through RNG on first try vs those who see it at the end of the season due to RNG also devalue your loot?
That’s the thing, “best” is relative as it highly depends on your spec. One spec might be locked behind M+ RNG while another is free to get their best trinkets from one of the first bosses, while some others can only get their best trinkets from the last boss. Either everyone or no one should be locked behind the last few bosses.
Can you show me where it would hurt you? Or does it not actually hurt you because it literally doesn’t affect you?
It’s not free if you work for it. Also why should player A get their BiS trinket from boss number 1 which is infinitely more accessible, while player B needs to kill the last one?
Again, why should my BiS trinket be behind Sark, while for others it’s early in the raid or M+? Besides “free to do the content”? I am 1 player with limited availability. There’s no realistic way I’ll be getting CE because I need 19 other people. I’d be lucky to even get to kill mythic sark on the class I need it on due to not being a meta spec.
Could also solve this problem by not having mythic ilvl anymore and make mythic raiding drop heroic ilvl, but I doubt anyone would want that.
The other people who have completed the content were also 1 player. The “limited availability” sounds like, “I don’t have the time to do that content,” which translates to me that you shouldn’t get it. If I don’t have the time to do something, I’m not deserving of the reward that it provides. I am deserving of the rewards from tasks I do engage in, albeit with RNG associated. That’s just the nature of the game.
So do all the other people completing that content. This isn’t unique.
So are all the other non-meta folks like you who do the content and have the mythic trinket.
A better argument here would be to say that maybe Blizzard needs to do a better job of either consolidating realms or allowing cross-realm guilds so that more people are connected and can do mythic raids that require 20 players. Make it easier for players to find each other without having to pay to realm transfer.
