Please Keep 2H Shaman DPS Viable

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Just wanted a suggestion. Please don’t limit shaman DPS to just dual wield, instead of limiting choices, keep both open! I know in a recent interview 2H dps isn’t something much focus is going to be on, instead on dual wield, which is fun too, but please keep 2H open and viable too. (If anything that talent point in enhance tree will be useless)

I love love love enhance Shaman in Classic WoW. I can’t wait to try DPS with lava lash. But one of my favorite parts of Classic WOW shaman is to use a big 2H Mace dps! (Hand of Rag!)

Would love to see this toolkit expanded or kept viable for future expanded level ranges!

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Dual wield is boring and lavalash is a lazy boring skill you only press when you literally have nothing else to press.

Dual wield has no place in vanilla.

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2h dps shaman was never viable though, it’s always been trash.

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Somebody out there parses 100 with it, probably does better than half the warriors too, especially with a Nightfall Axe

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so was ret and shadow and moonkin whats ur point

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So were Paladin tanks… But they added support for them…

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They playin with some garbage warriors lol.

:sweat_smile:

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Yeah title is wrong, it’s not keep them viable. It’s make them viable and don’t waste efforts on dual wield.

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Don’t we already have enough dual wielding classes?

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This is what people aren’t understanding. A few runes could make it better but it will still get blown away.

This is the same principle with warriors. 2h fury can be good in some circumstances but dual wield is gonna destroy it for single target/bosses.

But 2h enhance should be looked at it similarly to arms. It’s the slow, bursty PvP spec. Not really meant for pve but will still be good in PvP. I think they should introduce runes for 2h enhance to synergize with PvP better, if anything.

If they made 2h competitive in pve, it could become busted in PvP. I feel like blizzard giving shamans dual wield is them saying “we want you to be viable in pve”. 2h enhance is extremely difficult to balance for competitiveness in both pve and PvP. I believe this is why they’ve taken the approach they gave.

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If you think shaman burst is bad just wait till a ret pally comes at you with HoJ into Judge, Crusader Strike, Divine Storm with a druid in his group giving WF. How is shaman any different than pally? We have shocks and they have seals. Plus they have better utility. Our totems get one shot and drain mana.

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They’re making 2h dps warriors viable though. Moot argument.

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One thing that could help with viability is getting a secondary element type shamans can use over just the primary of either fire (enhance) an nature (ele). Like a spec and choices that is more frost oriented that would be useful in mc.

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Frostbrand Weapon and Flametongue Weapon just need a bit of love, normalize damage between them and give them some melee scaling.

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Somebody doesn’t understand how parsing works… It only compares you to the same spec and class so of course someone will parse 100 with it. But being the best 2h enhance is like being the top contender at the special Olympics. And nightfall axe uptime on enhance is terrible since they get no instant strikes, better off putting it on a war or hunter spamming hamstring or wingclip if you actually care about the debuff uptime.

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Oh don’t worry, only sweats care about debuff uptime.

And I bet the best enhancement shaman is better DPS than 50% of the warriors at the same ilevel

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I’m not interested in raiding as 2H Enhance I see it as a PvP spec and now that dual wield is a thing the PvE Enhance crowd has their answer.

I get people who want to support 2H Enhance but I don’t understand people trying to prevent it… What’s your angle? Did you take a Triple WF Crit to the head in Vanilla/Classic or what?

Saying it was a trash spec is irrelevant in the context of SoD…

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You’d be wrong.

Honesty. People hype up the spec over that one unbreakable PvP video from back in the day, but it is and always has been a trash spec for PvE.

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Yes, but 2h fury is still likely going to be a temporary spec until you get 2 good 1h’s + weapon skill. Dual wield fury will always beat it.

They may also have something in store for 2h shaman later on. We’ve only seen like 20% of what’s in store in terms of runes.

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I’m not worried about Paladin burst. It will still never beat fury in endgame PvE due to the nature of rage generation and warrior scaling.

It’s likely that dual wield shamans will out dps paladins due to the consistency issues that 2h builds generally deal with. They can be crazy in short bursts or cleave fights. But let’s see how endgame looks. I’m more than happy for previously known meme specs to have their fun during the leveling phases though. Endgame scaling is where this stuff is really going to matter, and we’re not sure how it’ll look yet.

Balance is always wonky at lower level brackets. And if ret is too much in PvP at 25, it’ll get toned down I’m sure. Look what they’ve done to Hunters already.