So I’ve been tasked with crafting flask cauldrons for my guild, which is fine. I can make them at rank 3 by spending concentration, but now, I’m stuck at an impasse because of how much concentration it requires.
Currently, it costs me over 850 concentration every time I want to make a cauldron, which means I can make one roughly every 3 1/2 days. Then I have to wait. While I’m waiting, I can’t do any patron orders that require concentration. I can’t craft personal flasks that require concentration, I can’t do ANYTHING else that requires concentration, otherwise my guild will be without the cauldrons, because it takes literally all week for me to be able to provide for a single raid night.
Add to this that we can’t multicraft cauldrons anymore, and we have a horrible system. I can make 1, and only 1 every 3 1/2 days, and I have to sacrifice all the patron orders that require concentration in order to do so. This stifles my ability to progress my profession by earning knowledge points and Acuity (which is also in way too short supply imo).
Why does concentration take 100 hours to refill? I don’t think anyone would be negatively impacted if it just took a day to fully refill. Please at least look at it, or reduce the amount of concentration needed for certain recipes, because 850+ for a single craft is NOT OKAY.
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Yes, it is the beginning of expansion and conc cost are large.
Cant someone else make cauldrons while yours conc refills? Or just make and use R2? Or everyone use personal ones?
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Why does concentration take 100 hours to refill? I don’t think anyone would be negatively impacted if it just took a day to fully refill. Please at least look at it, or reduce the amount of concentration needed for certain recipes, because 850+ for a single craft is NOT OKAY.
Because people would flood the AH with knock off rank 3s.
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Oh look who it is, Mr Everyone Should Do The Acuity Shuffle.
Please explain to me how they would be knock off rank 3s?
And how is making more of the highest quality stuff available not a positive?
I’ve yet to see you respond with more than 10 words to any post, and your responses are always in defence of a system that most people are finding frustrating.
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And how is making more of the highest quality stuff available not a positive?
It’s to make professions have value. And if you don’t want profs to have value, argue for their removal.
Imagine if flasks didn’t exist, and things weren’t as hard to compensate.
Apparently R2 Cauldrons are unacceptable. So are personal flasks and potions. It’s R3 Cauldrons or bust.
Yes, that is always an interesting thing for me -
What is unacceptable with R2 quality? Will bosses refuse to die or enrage if normal mode raid/group have R2 flasks? Or it is just OCD?
Ok, I might understand it for world first raiders where everything is tight, but how many of those actually are there?
Once during DF, someone calculated difference between R2 and R3 primal gem stats - If I remember correctly, it was 0.00023% more Intellect on R3 gem on present gear vs R2 gem. And people were so eager to get R3 like it was life or death at stake.
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More of highest quality is good for buyers since higher supply brings prices down, but if you are crafter/seller it is not worth crafting at some point.
The crazy thing is that’s where all the money is. You are lucky to break even with R1 and R2 but people will pay through the nose for R3.
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the little edge matters. Wiping to a boss at a low % feels worse.
When you’re progressing a mythic boss, R3 pots and flasks can make the difference between a wipe and a kill.
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Expecting you to be the sole source of consumables for your guild at this point and neglecting your profession’s progression for it is… If they don’t like it, let them roll an alchy and take that role! R2s and R1s are fine at this point in the exp. And if they aren’t, maybe the guild isn’t ready for ultra setting just yet?
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People are just obsessed with “best quality”. Even super casual people that might touch normal raid, or take the whole tier to get AOTC. They only want rank 3, or in the case of gear/etc - rank 5. You can give them the numbers all day, but it wont make a difference to many of them.
And then for me, as the guild crafter, it just feels bad to provide low quality. I mean… I will if I have to, and I’ll tell people not to expect more than rank 2 right away for the super expensive stuff - but it still feels bad.
Yes, it is just how it is.
I used to be crafter in guild in DF, but I wont do that anymore.
I just felt used by others who didnt feel like having their profession leveled/used because “convoluted, complicated, no time for that”, but they were not hesitating when asking for max quality (ok, it was much easier in DF to max quality). Some even owe me gold from that time.
They never spend amount of gold I had to spend on professions and all I got was “thanks” for putting down a cauldron or crafted something, not anymore.
Not even gathering basic mats for you to use uh? Entitled peoples. No amount of concentration regen can keep up with that.
I raid at a hall of fame level. Having the best consumables is important.
I’m also not expected to be the sole source of our guilds consumables. There are 5 of us doing it, and eventually it’s going to catch up with us unless someone rolls an alt to fill the 6th slot.
When you have smaller raid groups, it makes sense for only one person to do something like flask cauldrons since now crafting requires a lot of time, effort, and understanding. While the complexity can be exciting for people into crafting, many of my guildies abandoned it because it’s too much for them, which is fine.
I like being the go to person for crafting. But it sucks when you are gated with timesinks like concentration. Last expansion it was artisan’s mettle. I think Blizzard is trying to limit who can flood the AH but at the expense of guild crafters being able to adequately stock the guild bank with supplies.
And now this week our cauldron maker discovered a 700 concentration cap when trying to make a tier 3 cauldron. So you might be stuck with making rank 2s or crafting tier 3 mats to lower the cost.
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Too much for them? Ok. Sure. But I bet they want there cauldrons on raid night cause light forbid they have to source their own R3 pots and flask uh? You are an unsung hero!
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Or even worse, use R2 Flasks. The horror.
Agree with this so much as the guild crafter. I had to make numerous alts have duplicate professions to meet our needs.