Please help

I don’t know what is wrong with my toon.
I sim at 108k dps, and I can’t get past 85k.
I’ve been told by CE evokers, that I’m my rotation great, and using my utility fine.
My 420 unholy DK outdoes my 441 evoker.
I haven’t touched her most of this tier in raid bc i’m just fed up. I can do over 200k overall in keys with my group, but in raid I’m deadweight. I don’t understand, the only spec I have trouble with in raids.

If you have a particular fight or something you want looked at, that would help.

If things like wowanalyzer and CE dev players are telling you you’re playing the rotation correctly, I’m at a loss for what the root cause might be.

I trust that you know how to sim but you look pretty light on crit and heavy on mastery. Again, don’t take my word since that stuff can be so different from toon to toon, but that’s just the first thing I notice.

Either way, that would be going into that 108k sim so if you’re struggling to get close to that then you’re either not maximizing uptime, or the people giving you advice aren’t actually looking.

Another thing to do is to make sure you aren’t simming with PI if you won’t be getting it in raid, since that makes a pretty big difference (I think it’s about 4+k for my sim.

At any rate, I’m happy to look at a log if you have a fight you were particularly low on DPS but were alive and had decent uptime, lmk.

Edit: from what I can tell, you died on your only kazz sim and the only other sim is a rashok fight, so it’s a terribly small sample size, but I’ll look at it when I get a minute.

Edit 2: okay, from what I can see on this one fight at least, you’re mostly playing the spec just fine (besides the opener–covered in below post). You also didn’t get pi, so that’s part of it (your mage for SEVEN Pi’s on this fight lol, which obligated invalidates his log so I’m not sure why).

Your fight also lasted 4:19, which is a good ~minute longer than most of mine. The longer fights go, the more we’re penalized by our mastery.

Where you’re not playing optimally (which I’m not sure why these CE devokers missed) is around your 4pc–you only staggered the buff correctly 22% of the fight, which is likely happening automatically because of the cooldown between your second empower and the next one.

The way the tier works is that you don’t extend the buff to shards when you empower, you actually overwrite it and lose that time. So, what that means outside of d-rage windows is that you want to stagger your empowers by at just over 5 seconds to get maximum value out of it.

It’s not going to get you to 108k, but I wouldn’t worry about nailing your sim or you’ll always be frustrated. My suspicion is that if you tweak your stats a bit and play around your 4pc better, you’ll see a nice bump (again, sim yourself with all gems/enchants to keep me honest on that, since I didn’t sim you).

Hope this helps.

Dunno how much this will drop your dps, but your opener seems wack. As far as I can tell, you did shattering star → dragon rage → tts fire breath → eternity surge → hard cast living flame → and then finally started using disintegrate. Using tts fire breath on opener is leading to 8+ second gaps during dragonrage without fire breath on target, and you’re getting 2 stacks of essence burst while at full essence and completely wasting your opening power swell.

Discord has the single target opener as
dragon rage → fire breath → disintegrate to spend essence → shattering star → eternity surge → and then disintegrates. You tts fire breath on your second set of empowers to maximize the value.

Good point, you definitely want to tip your second FB to get max trinket value. You’re also using suboptimal devo trinkets (obviously not your fault) but that’s not helping a ton either.

Farming out a spoils/oce/nelth would be a solid move if you can.

Some Gear Choices have me Wondering…Super in favor of Mastery. Those trinkets and your embellishments have me questioning whether you were maybe in your Augment Gear Set. That or you Wanted to Play Aug, geared up for it and decided that you didn’t like it going back to Dev.

Knowing the Rotation isn’t always the same as applying it. So make sure make you are grabbing some addons and set them up for you. Weakauras etc…Because on Kazz you let FlameBreath get away from you. You Should of had a charge of Obsidian Scales up…might have saved your Death, that plus a Healthstone and or Health Pot…

Speaking of Pots…I see you Potted one fight and not the other. I don’t see a Flask? and I Don’t see a well fed buff?

As for talents…Now this is Personal but I feel like Ariel Mastery is must. Not saying it is but personally I don’t like playing without it. IMO would serve you better then having a 3sec AOE stun on Deep in a Raid setting. Those two fights, and Frankly all of Raiding that talent is a Waste. If an AOE stun is needed, other classes bring them easier.

85k is not dead weight. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Just remember Ali’s words: float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

I’ve done Neltharus over 30 times.

Yeah, I played aug for my guild and then quit for three weeks because I want the spec removed from the game. Working on recrafting some gear.

I was told by mythic raiders to do this, so I’ll not. Thank you.

Yeah, aside from one pull where I essence capped I’m doing 90% of what I’m suppose to do.
So do like… Rage > Fire Breath level 1 > Disen > star > surge > and rotation?

Ask them to explain to you why they do this, because I’m a mythic raider and it’s not good. You want your second FB to be tipped, mainly because your first FB will run its full course anyhow and your second one that’s tipped will give you full value of your remaining trinket/pot into the larger up front burst and smaller dot window after. If someone told you to tip the first one, I’d be very interested in hearing their opinions as to why you’d want to do that.

Yeah I believe it, that’s why I said it’s not your fault lol.

Yeah pretty much this-- other than that, just make sure you stagger empowers when you aren’t in dragonrage.

While I don’t want them removed from the game or anything, I feel you here because I find the gameplay loop of aug to be somehow both boring and tedious. I’ll run it if it gets us over the edge like it just did on mythic rashok but otherwise, I stick to dev.

That said, I’d sim your enchants/gems, my suspicion is that in your current setup a heavy crit/light haste gem with crit enchants may be the largest gain, but that’s complete speculation and you should sim.

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Think I’m just going to slowly waltz back to my warlock.
I’m currently an SP main bc I benched my evoker this tier, and I’m just enjoying my lock more.
Though Demo will prolly be omega nerfed next season

I feel you (I’m guyhugeman above). I rolled this enhance up to 70 a few weeks ago as my new main going into next tier since Aug makes me want to fall asleep and dev doesn’t bring enough damage for its lack of utility in raid.

I play evoker to look fabulous