Please get rid of stoneform

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

says the night elf with shadowmeld

[Akundathegay-skull-rock]

I agree, buff stoneform and all racials. Or let you pick racials regardlessofrace.

[Prtwentyfour-tichondrius]

@Akundathegay-skull-rock

Or let you pick racials regardless

You do get to pick when you choose your race. You have to make a decision to what’s best for you and live with it good or bad.

[Shanaz-proudmoore]

They could also increase the cd to 6 min, or more?

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Prtwentyfour-tichondrius

You do get to pick when you choose your race.

Unfortunately, I had no option to grab Stoneform as a Vulpera, I have to pilot this hideous dwarf robot.

At least the diving suit transmog lets me hide my shame, but I hate being a dwarf.

@Shanaz-proudmoore

They could also increase the cd to 6 min, or more?

Meh, that would make it so I could only use it on the 1st time everyone else entered the shadow realm on Mythic Sark, instead of both the first and second times.

I STILL would have had to race-change, though. Preventing even 1 raid wipe is vastly superior to all other racials.

[Ilirìel-moon-guard]

no we need op racials…thats what sets races apart. otherwise everyones just the same LOL

[Ilirìel-moon-guard]

i hate to agree they should get rid of this over others cause its exploitable

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Ilirìel-moon-guard

no we need op racials…thats what sets races apart.

If every race had an OP racial, then sure. The problem is that two races have amazing, overpowered racials useful in all content. And everybody else has crap.

[Life-dark-iron]

Trying to balance racial abilities in competitive content is a Sisyphean endeavor. The easiest, and probably best/fairest, solution would be to disable racials in M+, mythic raiding, and ranked PvP.

But as long as race and faction changes generate a probably significant amount of revenue, I don’t see it happening.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

@Kennie-malganis

It’s not even like comparing racials is an option

You’ve got a dodge mechanic/cc/burst button and I have a potion that does 40k dmg and literally isn’t worth pressing unless there’s nothing else up

I usually only use it as a tiny self heal on my Vulpera Rogue and Hunter, when they used everything they had to survive, and maybe a tiny bit of HP might get me through the situation.

If Blizzard insists on giving Vulpera lame racials because everyone loves them no matter what… it would be nice if they buffed the heal portion to make it more useful. Maybe make it a flat 15% HP. And for kicks, increase the range. But I can understand keeping the damage portion lower.

[Edwina-aegwynn]

It would be cool if they started adding new effects you can unlock for the bag of tricks. I think there were 1-2 unlockable ones when vulpera were released, but they haven’t introduced any new ones since.

[Aussielight-dathremar (Aussielight)]

@Barva-sargeras

Please get rid of stoneform

What?

• Humans, Void Elves and Nightelves are the most played race on the Alliance.

• Dwarves are one of the least played.

And … You want to remove something that actually gives the Dwarves some edge?

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Aussielight-dathremar

some edge?

Night elves and dwarves / Dark Iron shouldn’t be able to negate core boss mechanics, whether that means changing the racials or changing the boss mechanics to ignore the racials I don’t know.

Let them meld res / meld skip / stoneform trash dots / whatever, but removing mechanics or basing boss strategies entirely around racials is dumb.

[Shazaamann-area-52 (Shazaamann)]

what a small issue to complain about. way bigger things to worry about.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Aussielight-dathremar

And … You want to remove something that actually gives the Dwarves some edge?

It’s not a slight edge.

Dwarf has the best offensive and defensive racial in the game.

It’s a 9k dps increase for hunters

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Snozay-area-52

It’s a 9k dps increase for hunters

I mean it’s the same DPS increase as tauren, the 2% crit damage is not the problem and players have always been able to justify preference over strict DPS increases to some degree even in the highest levels of mythic raiding.

The problem is when a racial provides a binary advantage.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

I mean it’s the same DPS increase as tauren, the 2% crit damage is not the problem and players have always been able to justify preference over strict DPS increases to some degree even in the highest levels of mythic raiding.

I could have clarified better but

9k dps increase and having stoneform instead of just the 9k dps increase is why it’s an issue.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Snozay-area-52

9k dps increase and having stoneform instead of just the 9k dps increase is why it’s an issue.

I’m not sure I agree, as that implies there’s an amount of performance a racial provides at which it’s an acceptable trade off.

Binary have or don’t have scenarios just shouldn’t happen for racials, at least not during boss combat.

[Rordin-stormrage]

Stoneform has been in the game longer than most of the people currently playing WoW have been around. Absolutely zero reason to change things. So it’s an edge here and there this season- big deal. I personally choose to play my class well- and not ask Blizzard to nerf other classes because of some perceived unfair advantage. As a hunter it is well known that our defensives aren’t as good as most other classes. Having one small thing to pop to help out the people doing the debuffs should be seen as helpful to a group overall- not an ‘advantage’.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Rordin-stormrage

Stoneform has been in the game longer than most of the people currently playing WoW have been around.

However it’s only removed magic debuffs for about 2 years, and in the past if there was a big important bleed on a boss blizzard made stoneform not work on it.

So something recent has absolutely changed. There’s a pretty stark difference between what stoneform can do now, and what it could do in BFA or even Shadowlands.