At least for Shadow Priests. I know I will get a ton of flak for saying this, especially since we already suffer in the utility department and our silences have way to long of cool downs (serious *&^% off with the 45/30 sec cooldown already) as it is, but making Power Infusion castable on allies will just lead to drama that will just add more fuel to the flames that is the dumpster fire of a spec.
We already lack a proper DPS cooldown (a 3 min shadowfiend isn’t a dps cooldown) and by making PI castable on allies it will just lead to us being forced to cast it on other DPS while nerfing ourselves. People will get pissed if we don’t cast it on others and it will lead to awkward sitiuations that can be prevented by just making it a personal cooldown rather than a utility one. Voidform as it is will be a pain in the butt to maintain, if they do eventually give us some reason to go into it (CoI needs to be a passive trait given to all ShadowPriests), and having Power Infusion as a DPS cooldown would be drastically beneficial to us (which again we lack a proper DPS cooldown).
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I vote let them be pissed. We owe them nothing lol.
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i think this is more of a personal problem. casting PI on yourself as shadow priest (with the current dreadful trash voidform mechanic) is completely justifiable.
I think you just need to say no I need the buff on myself.
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Dude I’m a guild leader and I’m pretty sure if I don’t give Shadowlands Power Infusion to our DH or Mage or whatever is OP, I’ll get sat.
It’s a powerful burst cooldown, putting it on a class with no burst whatsoever is going to be a terrible use of it.
Like imagine a raid mechanic where one person gets a massive damage buff for 20 seconds, and you get to choose who gets it. Do you send your burstiest DPS? Or your least bursty DPS?
That’s how everyone else is going to see it.
A compromise solution might be “When a Shadowpriest casts Power Infusion on an ally, they also gain Power Infusion”.
Then it’s just straight utility - which is probably the developer intent here. But we’re still not going to get to determine when it gets used - the BM hunter is just going to yell at you to do it now - and it won’t matter if you aren’t even in Voidform.
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I do think the priest casting it should get the buff too. At the very least at half the haste value, so its still better to use on another player, or give the priest haste/int for every spell cast.
We don’t really have abilities in BFA like this, but one does come to mind - Innervate (balance druids). They can save healer’s mana but many of them just forget. However, when the build that gave int for every cast the healer did was meta, not a single one forgot to use it, lol.
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I don’t understand why shadow even has it, it was never castable on allies while shadow had access to it. Shadow had a different cooldown, dark archangel, which is now a disc PvP talent for some reason?
Shadow priest had access to PI for 3 expansions as a self cast buff, disc had it as a core mainstay piece of utility for 4, and then as a talent same as shadow for another 3.
Feels like we’re getting it as an afterthought…
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I would like to see some benefit with it, like as stated above, if cast on an ally, gain some int for a % damage the person with PI did during it.
I agree. And personally, I dont even want it as holy, id prefer other things.
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I think they are just throwing sh*t at shadow in an attempt to blind us on the fact that they put no effort what so ever. It’s so funny when ion himself admitted that shadow and ele/enh shammy needs rework but they can’t do it half way through an expansion. Well here we are ele/enh got a rework away from maelstrom as a resource and we literally got nothing. please don’t mention SW:D its not what we asked for and definitely gonna be benched just like S2M.
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Needs to be either only castable on self (dps cd) or only castable on an ally (utility). Having both will only lead to toxic raids with other classes expecting the buff and priests (who would benefit the least) wanting to use it on themselves.
Shadow as a spec feels like an afterthought honestly
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oh it’s definitely an after thought this alpha. like even a simple request of having SW:D baseline. like they didn’t have to change anything just make it baseline but no they had to go in and completely gut it to the point where no one will ever use it (unless you are top pvper, which in that case you wouldn’t even play shadow)
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No healer complains when a Resto Druid Innervates himself when a Disc Priest could use the mana better. Why is this a problem?
Should we also complain if a Mage doesn’t choose Focus Magic?
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No healer complains when a Resto Druid Innervates himself when a Disc Priest could use the mana better. Why is this a problem?
But they do? If it’s pertinent to group success, you make sure those innervates are used properly.
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Also, resto druid isn’t the objectively worst healer in the game to give innervate to. As much as people don’t wanna hear it, the HPS value of innervate is pretty samey across the board (Ignoring those broken builds of MW and Hpala that dont actually spend mana).
Shadow is, objectively, the worst spec in the game to give an amplification cooldown to, because we have nothing to stack with it and our damage is so consistent / spread out there’s barely anything to actually amplify.
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If shadow priest themselves aren’t good enough to be raid worthy, Power Infusion isn’t worth bringing them for. If you bring a Spriest purely for Power Infusion, you’re trading a short DPS buff on one person instead of a good DPS for the whole fight.
well it all depend on the raid mechanic. If we could sit still and ramp up as if we are fighting a target dummy then sure we’ll be just fine but it won’t because the whole idea of a raid is to deal with the mechanic. The skill in this game comes from learning fight mechanic and knowing how to react to it based on your mastery of the spec your playing.
The reintroduction of Power Infusion, and allowing it to be cast on allies, is extremely problematic because it’s the kind of thing Holy needs… Utility.
Disc already has too much utility, so it’s just going to push the other healers further behind when it comes to raids.
Shadow is not an ideal target for PI, so you’ll probably end up using it on someone else. But with how terrible Shadow is right now it is especially unhelpful.
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I know I’m in the minority and this is an unpopular opinion but (as a disc priest) I like casting it on other people. I like the feeling of making myself or someone else more powerful. I’m also a pretty selfish person so would only use it on someone I wanted to as opposed to being forced to.
I understand the concerns for shadow and think there are some good suggestions here:
- If cast on another player, both the priest and target get half the effect (10% haste each)
- If cast on another player, the priest gains X for each spell cast.
- Healer priests can cast on others, shadow only on self.
Ideally, they would scale it down so that it hits both the priest casting AND the target.
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