Please don’t remove Hunter pets

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

No.

The pet will auto attack, Bite, and Growl. All pet-based utility is on the Hunter directly for MM in 11.1.

Assuming the pets keep their abilities for MM, they should share a cooldown with the Hunter abilities - Master’s Call should already do that as it’s the same spell, Primal Rage matters less due to Sated. IDK what is happening with Fortitude of the Bear in 111.1, it isn’t mentioned in the dev notes at all.

None of the non-Exotic family abilities matter for MM in 11.1, except the snare. Even then, we have Wing Clip/Concussive Shot, so you aren’t losing any functionality even if the family abilities got turned off entirely for MM.

FWIW, SV has a hidden debuff for -50% damage on Auto Shot. Go test on a dummy - equip a bow, spec BM or MM, shoot a dummy, record the damage. Swap to SV, same gear, shoot the same dummy, you’ll do ~half damage compared with the other specs. There is zero reason they couldn’t implement something similar for MM.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Skizzic-proudmoore

Well, on this I’ll have to disagree a bit. Since we have no idea how Tier 11+ delves will work, maybe it’ll actually be challenging. Difficult content to me is the same as High End. They AREN’T right now, which is why I don’t call them high end. The fact that 11+ Delves will drop Guilded Crests makes it legitimately high end content.

Its solo content, it cant be but so challenging.

@Skizzic-proudmoore

ENDGAME Content is stuff that drops the highest level gear. That’s Mythic. And again, unless Tier 11+ drops that gear then while I’ll freely admit it’s high end, it’s not Endgame. Please note, this is just MY OPINION, it is not gospel by any means.

t11 isnt dropping myth track

[Snozay-area-52]

@Adreaver-undermine

Survival can use ranged weapons as an option

No it cant.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Adreaver-undermine

MM has literally never been forced to be petless on live servers.

Anyone doing any content that matters ran LW.

@Adreaver-undermine

WoD introduced Lone Wolf to both MM and SV as a level 100 talent. You could choose Focusing Shot or Exotic Munitions instead if desired.

Legion beta had Lone Wolf as a mandatory passive, but by 7.0.3 prepatch it had become a level 15 talent. It was intentionally overtuned, and you’d never take 7.x Steady Focus or Careful Aim if you were doing anything remotely competitive.

BfA beta had it as a mandatory passive, but by 8.0.1 prepatch it had become a baseline optional passive.

SL kept the “baseline optional passive” design from BfA. DF made it a talent, but worked the same way as the old passive - you can use the pet, but you get a buff when you don’t. TWW thus far is the same as DF.

See above

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

Really? Since when?

Last I checked, SV lost access to Raptor Strike, Harpoon, Muzzle, and Kill Shot if you don’t have a 2h equipped. Everything WFB still works, as does Serpent Sting. You have Arcane Shot for a Focus dump. Kill Command still builds Focus, does damage, and can proc the self-reset.

Is it optimal? No, not even close. Doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Not possible would mean SV gets a “You can’t equip that” error when trying to equip a bow.

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

@Snozay-area-52

Anyone doing any content that matters ran LW.

You do not determine what content “matters” for anyone other than yourself.

[Eàu-warsong]

@Adreaver-undermine

You do not determine what content “matters” for anyone other than yourself.

That Snoz is delulu.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Adreaver-undermine

You do not determine what content “matters” for anyone other than yourself

That’s why blizzard balanced around raids and mplus not solo content.

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

I still maintain that it hurts nothing to let MM still have the Lone Wolf talent where they have the option to bring their pet out, even if it’s not technically optimal to do so.

Part of player choice is letting the player choose to be sub-optimal. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any points in talents as a whole, either. There’s always an optimal build to be using.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Lunkel-garona

Stop arguing about the majority. It does not matter.

Tell that to flying brother, who won in the end?

[Veneraith-stormrage]

This is how delusional you have to be to think this is not a good decision.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

I could cherry pick plenty of individual posts that make a side look ridiculous in any of these threads.

[Asahina-bladefist]

Yeah we get it, you spend more time posting then playing the game.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

Or I pay attention. You overestimate the time it actually takes to post this much or read a single thread of low effort slop.

[Archeon-dentarg]

I play MM hunter and I use a pet.

[Archeon-dentarg]

Apparently Blizzard’s entire philosophy is to take away as much class fantasy, abilities and talents as possible and to shoe-horn every player into playing every spec exactly the way Blizzard wants you to play i.e. the way optimized for some small and vocal min-maxing minority. Apparently for those people the game is unplayable if there is a single “flavor” spell in their spellbook or a talent in their spec which literally nobody is forcing them to use

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

@Aurostrasza-proudmoore

Look. You’re losing your pet. I don’t think you’re wrong, and you guys can protest as much as you want… but it’s obvious MM hunter will be pet-less from here on out. Say it’s a good or bad decision, that’s a personal choice. But I don’t think you are getting it back. Survival and BM are the ones who will use pet taunts going forward.

We went through this same situation back in BfA. “You’re losing your pet” was followed by “You’re keeping your pet”.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

@Skizzic-proudmoore

I only believe that M+ and Raiders are the Majority simply from the fact that this change is coming.

Going by DataForAzeroth numbers that I posted earlier, raiders make up a third, at most, since LFR/Normal/Heroic get lumped together achievement-wise. And M+ runs have not been impressive this season, with the numbers dropping to around DF S4 numbers.

So it does not look like M+ and raiders are the majority at all.

[Lunkel-garona (Lunkel)]

@Sabetha-turalyon

I still maintain that it hurts nothing to let MM still have the Lone Wolf talent where they have the option to bring their pet out, even if it’s not technically optimal to do so

It hurts the identity of what they want the spec to be

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

@Lunkel-garona

It does not matter.

Tell that to flying brother, who won in the end

Not even remotely comparable but if you think you have that kind of support, all I can say is good luck.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

@Skizzic-proudmoore

Seriously, why is that Naive? One guy posts what HE ACTUALLY DOES. The fact that it contradicts you point means that anybody who believes him is naive? But people who just post “but I read” or “but I heard” are somehow giving solid pieces of gospel?

Do you dislike your worldview being contradicted that badly?

I’ve hunted and not used a dog, so what? I know other hunters who do use dogs. It’s a thing, instead of believing what you want to believe, try looking it up.