I have been devastation almost the entire expansion, but good sleuthing kiddo!
I have specifically mentioned in this (and other threads) that Aug’s current design isn’t sustainable.
Not sure if you’re confused or just too lazy to do anything other than look at my armory where I played two Aug keys Wednesday to try out the new talents, but I have played Aug very little as compared to Dev, and don’t prefer it in the least.
That’s cool and all, but if your stance is that Aug needs to be deleted for being too meta, we logically also need to delete mage (and probably shadow priest too), right?
Your entire argument around why aug needs to be deleted is completely undermined by explaining away other specs that have been more consistent ‘permanent FOTM’ offenders not deserving deletion simply ‘cause blizz’s poster child’, lmao.
They’ve been meta as much or more of this expansion (and have been in previous expansions).
Literally just finished replying to you on another post why this is bad. Why break something that isn’t broken? For a small majority that play a FOTM spec that’s been flavor of the expansion mostly? Go play FFX if you want support specs so badly.
First ever spec to deleted from the game. So much WOW. Very innovating. Greatly daring!
I didn’t even bother looking you up when I stated you sounded like someone who was shifting/sharing the blame on others. I was talking about Augs and you brought up mages for some reason. However, since you mentioned sleuthing, I did look you up. You played aug mostly on season 3 (got 3k I.O. on it. Congrats on playing an OP spec. I’m sure the VIP line was smooth).
So if you agree that current Aug is mistake what’s the issue?
Once again, I didn’t bother looking you up till you brought it up. I’m sorry but you’re not that special. I care that aug is ruining the game and that it should be “fixed” before it becomes flavor of the expansion in TWW. I’m sorry if you felt some type of way.
Congrats. Dev is the superior spec and really wish they would give them a few QOL changes, such as baseline “timelessness” buff.
My stance is that Aug (support spec) is an exponent. It really doesn’t matter if you nerf mage or Spriest. There will be another class that will take its place and be buffed by AUG that makes it the new meta comp. Blizzard cannot tune around player performance. They either tune it around the casual players to be decently good, and thus broken in the ands of high-end players. Or they tune it around high-end players, and have it be bad for the vast majority of players—thus trash. It boils down to one of two options. It’s broken and people want it or it’s not and it’s dumpster fire. There’s no in-between. Since if it’s in middle why not just bring a regular dps at that point?
They got massive threat changes that are better than timelessness…
Saying that a permanent spec in the meta is an issue and asserting that it should be deleted when other (more perennial) offenders just get a pass because ‘blizz fav’ is ignorant at best, F-tier trolling at worst.
Absolutely incredible takes from a level 10 alt on an account that never even got above 2500, lol.
Aug literally has zero effect in the keys that you do, and in fact is trolling compared to dev at that difficulty level. Why do you even care if you just do ultra casual keys?
3k io is nothing that can’t be achieved as dev, if I pugged to title or something maybe this statement wouldn’t be so desperate.
I barely played m+ this season as dev finished just below 2900. I could literally log in today and get a higher IO than last season as strictly dev.
I played aug because we had a decent group that I did most of my keys with and the Dev tier was absolute dogwater for m+ last season.
You can cry as much as you want, it’s obviously not happening lmao. If there were less drama queens like you asking for it to be deleted (because you’re salty that it’s not a tank spec, lmao) and more people discussing/asking for reasonable changes maybe Blizz would actually take you seriously.
Until then, rage on little guy. You’re not worth more of anyone’s time.
I’m not the one trolling these forums. Have fun “patrolling” these forums and gatekeeping any feedback provided. I’m obviously not the only one that feels this way, but you’re obviously feeling personally attacked. Good Luck on your policing things you don’t like.
By the way, I didn’t know if you noticed, but I didn’t start this post.
people love to exaggerate and hate change . give it time , it’s something new and experimentation is great for everyone. I understand that the wow community is the most min/max community and live and die by the meters , but personally I am open to new ideas and forms . all people have the tendency to resist change , it’s natural , but it’s also natural for people to stay behind if they don’t follow the rest . enjoy the game and don’t freak out of Aug or even priests power infusion . play with friends , buff them or let them buff you . believe me I will first pick the player who makes me laugh than an Aug evoker even if it’s “necessary “
I don’t hate change. I dislike having one spec basically dictate what occurs in most forms of competitive content. This has a ripple effect that heavily influences community perception. Right now Aug is going to be mandatory for high-end content after tank nerfs. They’re basically S-tier guaranteed in TWW season 1. This need will echo down hill to where people will perceive they need an Aug for all form of content.
Should it be like this? No. Will it be? More than likely.
As you’ve stated, WOW players are one of the “most min/max” community. If they can find some way to make their key/raid experience easier, then they definitely will.
Personally, I don’t have time to sit in que getting rejected because I don’t synergize well with Aug or am not in the meta. Additionally, the amount of Evokers getting turned down because they play Pres/Dev and not Aug is mind-numbing. Community perception matters a lot. Aug/support specs do not work in a game like WOW because of Min/max it is.
Change is good when it is warranted. Creating a spec that is just OP and remains OP is maddening. It creates a stale gameplay loop. If they insist on keeping Aug, then they should be a dps only class. They should buff only dps. No survivability or helping healers in any way. All they do is increase the numbers. They should also make it easy to see/distinguish if the Aug player is good on logs/dps meters.
A few additional notes:
Players want to add more support specs to the game to “fix” the aug problem, yet I do not see how this is feasible/achievable this way. Nor has anyone made a good argument for it.
Players have noted that other classes should get a new support specs and that they should provide “some buff” without rightfully specifying what that entails.
How will this work long term?
How would the buff not overlap/stack? If they don’t stack, why bring one support spec over the other?
If they bring too much to the table (e.g. survivability to tanks or benefits to healers), what’s stopping those support specs to create a “mandatory” spec to bring?
What’s stopping players from requiring a spreadsheet to play these new support specs to min/max their role?
Would they tune around casual players making the support spec OP for High-end players, or would they tune it around High-end players making it bad for casual players?
Players have also mentioned breaking the “Holy Trinity” (Tank, Healer and DPS) to make way for more support specs, so that they can have their own role in the game.
Que times are already pretty bad as it is. What are your plans to fix this instead of making it worse?
Why break something that’s been working for years for one spec?
What if breaking the trinity doesn’t yield the results players think it will? What then? Can’t really put the cat back in the box after breaking the trinity.
Would adding this new role really benefit the game long term? Would balancing be more hectic than it already is?
Players have mentioned Aug playstyle is boring. What if the majority of support spec playstyles are that way?
The reason players are saying “delete Aug” is because it is the easiest and guaranteed way to fix the Aug dilemma. There’s no questions whether or not this will work. It’s a surefire way to solve a problem caused by the one spec.
my experience is different. Running mythic plus these last months , I had zero augmentation evokers. according to my experience, people did not flock to become evokers and aug evoker is not dictating our raid set up. Is aug evoker offering good stats ? yes . is the class dictating the meta on the every day player ? not even close , I would argue that aug evoker is the least played class. what I notice is that people love to copy paste icy veins class tiers and then cry in the forum . do you know what will grand you instant queues? being a tank or a healer spec
(Or any other Support spec players like to imagine vs a plain Dps spec, such as how players have suggested a Bard spec for Rogues vs the other dps specs they have)
When I said this I meant the spec itself vs its other dps spec. I never said anything about meta. That said, my statement still holds true. If you can play your class optimally as Aug and Dev, yet the players you would support/buff are not playing their dps spec well. Which spec would you play?
Once again, it’s either OP or it’s bad. There is no in-between. You either play Dev or play the OP Aug. Who wants to play a mid-tier support spec when they can just play a reg. dps role?
We’re in an off season. Season 4 is not really a good way to gather data on this.
I’d wait for an actual season. Next TWW season 1 is looking like an Aug all you can eat buffet with all the nerfs they did to tanks.
Which is why I play both and one of the reasons I’d rather advocate for aug to be a tank than die in obscurity have some well deserved nerfs in the future (and expac or two).
its literally a dps loss to go aug and you don’t even take the survivability talents anymore as those have been destroyed. I don’t even think aug along with its buffs make up the difference to even a low tier dps. Yall just salty. aug isn’t the reason yall aint timing your +10
I can’t wait to see how popular aug is over a variety of key levels in TWW.
If it turns out they see next to no use in keys at +11 and under and but an over representation in 12+, would aug be considered for another round of nerfs even though a majority of people aren’t playing it at more ‘normal’ levels?
I watched a video by one of the top WoW players saying aug will always be useful in push keys and cutting edge mythic raid, but nearly useless for more casual play because people don’t optimize it.
Aug’s in such a weird position… While I’ve never been about the removable of a spec, I doubt any other spec has been so polarizing.
