Please Delete Augmentation

This is already the case. Truly.

The absolute vast majority of players that post on this forum (mysefl included) do not play at any level where Aug is ‘Required’.

If they are getting denied entry into keys its not because Aug exists. Maybe they lack IO, ILvl or simply are a spec that doesn’t have something a group needs. That isn’t the fault of Aug existing. (With the exception of other Evoker specs) MOST people don’t like overlapping classes/specs anyway…so its not a new thing.

This 1000%.

And it’s arguably much higher than the 12 range mentioned. It’s more like 16+.

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Or make it into a tank spec

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Conservation Spec:

Lots of Earth Magic for armor buffs. It uses an earthen fist, like the Drogbar use, to pull enemies to you. Lots of damage reflection as a source of aggro. Fire magic creating circles of damage originating from the caster as an empowered spell. A Bronze empowered spell that mitigates damage for longer/greater based on empower level

I’d take a ranged tank like in SWTOR. How about innovating there than just a single support spec in the game.

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The DPS spec is devo. Aug is a support class like healers are healers. You play it for groups not solo unless you enjoy it.

I play it and am going to be maining it in TWW. Most are devo because it’s easier to see your DPS and it’s easier to play devo.

Just because you don’t see us doesn’t mean the spec is a failure lol. Wows needed a true support spec forever. People wanted bard but this is wows version so augmentation.

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Maybe in raid, if that’s what you’re referencing.

Aug in dungeons is possibly the easiest spec in the game.

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maybe. Though this applies to all 3, you have a good amount of utility you should be using very well, and someone that can’t do it properly is very obvious. It’s also easier to waste your ebon might if you use it at the wrong time.

I don’t think there is anything easier than a BM hunter in this game.

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It’s actually pretty hard to use ebon might at the wrong time, lol.

BM is definitely right there in contention, but it’s still very obvious to everyone when someone is bad at BM.

It’s much easier to hide that you don’t know what you’re doing on Aug. I know two different aug players that push for title and both of them barely even know the spec or talents.

There’s no other class as uniquely nebulous in terms of performance as Aug is, because people on the outside understand very little about what you do.

It’s basically the Marketing department of DPS specs (except that Aug actually does stuff).

Yes. 100%. It would fix this balancing issue caused by this one horrendous spec.

LOL. Blizz pls nerf AUG some more. Support specs won’t work the way they are now. Adding more would just tilt more people.

Why not give all tanks in game support abilities and make Aug a tank ?
Paly is pretty close to support already for instance.

This Aug tank story arc just needs to die already.

It was never intended to be a tank, and they’re not going to redesign a spec for a totally different role.

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:salt::salt:Aug ain’t the reason your failing +10’s stay mad. Stop conforming to the meta that only matters at +22 your not pushing that content nor should the devs balance around that level of content

As far as I can tell you need to touch grass lmao.

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Yeah the fact that this dude is so up in arms about a spec that literally doesn’t come into play in the content they do (or even close to it) is wild to me.

Pretty sure it’s just D-tier trolling at this point, have had them ignored for a while.

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Most mythic plus players tend to be unhinged. The moment a spec is meta every other spec’s players start demanding a blood price lmao. Despite the fact it doesn’t apply to them.

Like I can think of comps just as good as the next guy, but why would I do that when I can pick a good player of some off meta spec that’s going to be trying his heart out and knowing all the niche tech of his spec. I’d rather have that guy.

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LOL. I’m chilling. Sounds like you’re tilted because they keep nerfing it. :dracthyr_cry:

LOL. No one can provide a good explanation as to how they can add more support specs or justify the current state of Aug (which is not sustainable), but I need to touch grass?

Once again, I’m chilling. I’ll just wait till it gets nerfed again.

Nope. LOL.

There’s a common sentiment around here that Devastation players are preferable over Augmentation players, assuming they’re likely better or would perform better. This attitude creates systemic discrimination against Augmentation players. It’s not fair to dismiss Augmentation issues and call me “unhinged” for raising concerns.

The current state of Augmentation is unsustainable. I’ve suggested:

  • Making the spec solely buff only DPS.
  • Reworking it entirely into a two-handed DPS spec.
  • Reworking it entirely into a tank spec.

Granted, two of those suggestions may be a bit “extreme,” but avoiding the Aug issue is not a solution. Without changes, Aug will continue to be nerfed as it can’t be balanced effectively.

Balancing Augmentation is challenging because:

  • It could either be too strong for casual players and overpowered for high-end players.
  • Or it could be weak for high-end players and dogwater for casual players.

Optimizing Augmentation in raids requires detailed planning and spreadsheets. In dungeons, optimization is somewhat easier but still challenging. Many players want to “support” others but often lack a clear understanding of what that entails. And I am often met with more support specs will fix the Aug issue and they can add “some buff” to other specs, or “Y” utility. It is a very underwhelming answer.

The Aug dilemma can be fixed with my suggestions, and you know I am not the only “unhinged” player that thinks the way I do. I will wait for the next round of Aug nerfs to see what others would say then.

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They nerfed it because it was actually not only top dps in personal damage but also giving buffs so it had to be cut back somewhere. Like it was out dpsing dev to so a nerf was expected. A nerf to the support is less welcome than a nerf to the personal damage as we gained so much personal damage with hero talents.

It’s a perfectly fine spec and only those who have an unhealthy relationship with the game are like “delete Aug” “bad spec”

Except your concerns are already not applicable to the average player as in the average key they do well enough and only break the game the moment you try to push for title. But again blizzard shouldn’t balance for title pushers as they most likely will just fotm reroll to the best available thing regardless.

Again that’s in your opinion, but your “suggestions” when phrased as “Aug bad” are not what you are saying.

It should only buff dps and close as clutchmates should come back to balance the fact that you are buffing only 2 dps instead of 4

It already is capable of 2 handed weapon use? Like my Aug has a 2 handed weapon on it right now I think it’s a myth int club from brackenhide. All 3 specs can equip 2 handed weapons

No. It won’t ever be a tank spec.

Yes that is the premise of how supporting works not just in WoW but in every other game with a support. You buff others but if others are dog water then your now dog water. So I fail to see the problem the only solution to that defeats the entire premise of Aug.

It’s not a dilemma it’s unhinged M+ players who watch their streamers parroting problems that don’t affect them, like with any spec that becomes meta when not mage y’all decide the spec needs to die. It’s like that every season.

Stop caring about balance so much. Like most people and myself another spec’s existence doesn’t harm you. Because at the end of the day if you can’t get into a group (as the moment I list a key I get 50 dps trying to get in a key) you can push your own.

Edit: on mobile so sorry if I missed any points you made

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You’re giving this troll way too much mind share, lol.

It should be clear that you can’t reason with someone who claims to know how to “fix” Aug followed by a suggestion to make it a 2h melee DPS or a tank, lmao.

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I know, I’m waiting for D4 to update so might as well. Some people be weird. I’ve never been negatively impacted by not having or having an Aug in my key. If anything I’d be complaining that the only reason I’m bringing an evoker (if I’m healing) is for caut flame that’s it. Like when I last did a lot of M+ (not just for mount) was in season 3 and I spammed 30 way crest manor and I like brought evoker and paladin as my dps every time because it made my life easier for witches and tree. And hell bringing an aug on tree boss was like actively bad because then you lost like 2 dps.

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It’s a small % nerf. You don’t have to justify why they are nerfing it to me. LOL

LOL. A “fine spec,” you say? Okay. If you say so, then it must be.

You yourself said if you saw an Aug in que you would pick someone else, or am I mistaken?

Personally, I don’t care about balance. I care about all these disingenuous players that say they “love the spec” because the like the playstyle of support. This is true to some extent but you also cannot tell me there aren’t players out there that like Aug only because it is perma FOTM. Nerf the spec for a few patches give it the Ol’ feral treatment and then they can tell me they “love” the spec, for sure.

I won’t post on this post unless replied to. Some of y’all are starting a religion around a spec that has not been out longer than a year. LOL. I’ll wait for the next round of Aug nerfs. Till then, toodaloo.

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