Chill Streak requires so much setup for a spell that can be easily countered. Big fat Obliterate crits is what Frost DKs are known for, so why is it so lacking? If the presence of Chill Streak is what is restricting this, I’m more than happy to let it go.
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Agreed chill streak is lame and gimmicky
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Agreed
Chillstreak is nothing more than a copy of Lich ultimate from DOTA.
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Its the design of Obliterate itself at the moment that is restricting the tuning of the ability and its performance in PvE. Obliterate is already making up a large % of Frosts overall damage. Some playing Obliteration is getting close to the 40% mark and with BoS its second in damage behind BoS.
Its damage swings wildly and with the low and and high end being so far apart, its really hard to actually balance it. Frost needs some design work and not just buffs. Its a mess.
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I feel like you don’t play other classes that much because that’s a very common thing. Affliction warlock has roughly 35% of its damage setup within rapture, Final Verdict makes up about 35% for Ret, anywhere from 40-47% for Starsurge for Balance.
It makes 100% sense that a talent that is built around a single ability ends up with that ability making up nearly half of your damage profile. It also makes sense that an ability that you for the most part spam for 20 - 30 seconds at 2-minute intervals and use regularly outside of that would still make up a substantial amount of the damage profile as well, even more so since there is a 1 minute CD that greatly rewards you getting the most GCD spent on Obliterates. So it’s not too crazy to think to buff one of the abilities that generally has double the amount of casts that Howling Blasts, Frost Strike. Hell even in terms of damage events it hits more times than BoS on most fights.
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I’d still say chillstreak would be pretty swell as a pve option would be swell. Was really useful in BFA with conflict and strife for some bosses.
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Forget oblit damage it will never hit as hard again since runes dont have a fixed cd to refresh like it used to in the first dk inception. You can speed runes refresh rate by many ways and it would break the spec to be retarded op.
Let it go.
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We don’t talk about Affliction Warlocks.
That in a reception is an abomination of a spec right now that dares to make DoTs into a fuel into a flame of everyone’s most favorite ability called Malefic Rapture.
Like I feel like that ability is just an excuse to make DoTs at least useful.
I guess you havent played much Frost DK to know that Obliterate has a huge damage swing built in it. Even without PoF up, or Shackle with Pel, or Emeni, or certain trinkets, its damage gap is so large from a non-proc to a proc Obliterate.
Does any of the other specs you listed that if you play properly have a huge damage increase on the abilities? Obliterate for me does anywhere from around 650 damage to 7000 and it still makes up the majority of my damage. Its that damage disparity that is keeping Obliterate from really being able to be tuned.
Not to mention in pvp you are getting different stats than what the spec requires to function. So you have this 12 second window to do what you need to do and it only happens every minute, not really good design if you ask me so in reality what needs to happen is a redesign.
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Obliterate hits for 8-11k and you have inexorable go off at the same time. How can you possibly ask for it to be buffed?
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Where do you get these numbers from a random generator? Looking at just top parses obliterate is between like 13-18%. Obliterate should be one of your top abilities, but apparently it is okay that ignite and pyroblast make up 60% of a mages damage combined. To put in context wrath does a larger percentage of damage on average for balance druids on single target fights. On mages their third highest damage skill fire blast is a similar percentage. Also I’m not saying it needs buffed, but what you stated is just false.
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Hitting for 8-11k is considered OP?
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That’s just too powerful.
I’m not high on Convoke, Xino.
Lets only look at BoS builds and not Obliteration builds like I stated in my post that you are responding to.
When you look at the difference between the different builds, Obliterate with Obliteration is 30-35% some getting in the 37% range. BoS Obliterate is second after BoS in those builds.
So before you start talking a bunch of nonsense, how about you actually read what was stated. Its just more people are getting higher parses with BoS right now so they arent showing in the top and you have to look for Obliteration logs. Obliterate making up 35.61% on Shriekwing by Лёважнец. 38.30% for Yakhubu. 38.05% for 须臾冬至.
What I stated is NOT false, and im tired of people constantly saying im wrong when they didnt even read the post. They see “obliterate makes up 40%” because they skim the post instead of actually reading it. Taking something out of context is what you did. So what you just stated is flat out false.
Good obliterate should be that percentage when you are taking the OBLITERATE talent, probably even more so since its such a brain dead and boring talent. What you are talking about is a fun build for someone in a guild already trolling content or someone in a casual setting, that isn’t even concerned about maximizing the spec’s one niche of cleave with BoS. Both of which settings shouldn’t be used to balance a spec and it’s abilities. I would hope a ability that is getting a crit every time during a primary stat steroid is hitting huge. Unfortunately when you are playing the Oblit build you’re just playing a poor man’s unholy. Taking a talent finally makes your primary ability hit for the same % percentage as Pyroblast and Malefic Rapture, what JOY! It would by like taking focus chaos for warlocks in pvp and chaos bolt still being 30% of your damage absolutely a joke. Lastly if you think that is how the ability should actually be balanced then you are more clueless than you already seem from me just lurking on this forum.
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You have no clue what im talking about because you got what I said wrong completely in the last post. Go annoy someone else.
Thanks for admitting you have nothing to contribute. Maybe go to the mage or warlock thread, and tell them their abilities do too large of a percentage of their damage.
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What are you talking about? Again, go annoy someone else.
You just blatantly lied earlier because “hurr durr I dont have eyes to read what you wrote and respond to you properly” and now you want to get all uppity for no reason at all and make some argument that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
In case you havent noticed, this thread is talking about buffing Obliterate when its already a top damage dealer of the spec. Thats like Demo Locks saying “yeah, take more damage off the lock and put it on the Tyrant even though its already making up a large portion of our damage”.
Seriously, you have absolutely no clue what I have even been talking about and its absolutely embarrassing. Did you just see the name “Kelliste” and think it would be easy to make me look like a fool when the very first post you responded to me with was a complete and utter fabrication because you couldnt be bothered to use your eyes and see “Obliteration”.
Go annoy someone else. Seriously. Anything else you say is pointless.
Imagine a world where they buff obliterate, get rid of chill streak and then bring back heartstop aura :0
We would be unstoppable
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