Welcome to the weekly ARMs needs a buff thread. I’m ur host Elvo
To every one about to post just go fury, my distaste for you is immense
We have two rune slots that could be used to help arms a lot in PVE.
There’s an easy fix here to balance arms without buffing fury and that is to gate the improvements behind the mortal strike ability.
Your spelling needs a buff.
fury isnt good either, its just not F- tier like arms is at everything. Fury is F- spec in open world/pvp, and C or maybe B in top-tier fast kill times with bis gear/WBs in raid. Hardely anything to be happy about when hunters, druids, shamans, priests are god classes and the rest are all much stronger overall still.
There is no shot any sod DPS spec is bad in open world
We all like 3 shot mobs
try warrior and youll change your mind
leveled a druid, mage, shaman, and warrior and the warrior is a half of a class at best
Sure low level
There is no shot a 60 war is struggling in open world
Warrior is a 3 spec class. Pve Tank, DPS and Pvp DPS
Arms is a Pvp spec. if you want to play it in Pve you are free to do so but it will under perform in comparison to Fury. vise versa, fury Pvp will underperform compared to Arms. It’s how it is even on retail 20+ years of warrior. Yes, it would be nice for pvp specs to do well in pve but that isnt how the games design is. thats like asking for Sub hemo rog to do better than mutilate or combat swords. like thats weird. we got dual spec, just have 1 pve spec and 1 pvp spec.
the real issue here especially on classic-ERA/SoD in general is that the non-meta specs like boomy, SP, ele, enhance, arcane mage etc etc those specs should be viable in PVE (which they are on SoD) i think arms war will have its time in other phases like it did in p1 for example. but i think making multi-dps class specs viable in all avenues 100% ruins game design. bc at that point, just remove all specs from the game and give us retail spec/talents.
funny how every class you just named is currently under fury warrior in pve dps lol (besides feral ofc)
the “God tier classes” are hunters, paladins and rogues 100% Shaman is a hair away from being with them. G tier is pve+pve/open world
it can kill stuff but no where near as well as anyone else
I tested a bunch of specs on PTR and I see it on live servers as well. As enhance I can just mow down mobs, do 50% or even 100% more dps, passively heal myself, never stop killing, etc. A shadow priest I could literally keep 100% hp and over 95% mana and have 100% mob kill uptime. Warrior still has to eat after a few mobs even with victory rush. A few mobs can still kick your teeth in. Elites are still brutal whereas with other classes elites are nothing to you still. As a bunch of classes you can plow through elite mobs zones no problem but as warrior youll be lucky to kill 1 by itself.
You can be a warrior with a resto shaman duo and youre less effective than a solo enhance. Its bad. Warrior is really really bad in SoD. Worse than the worst meme spec of vanilla 2019 relative to other classes power.
those are god classes. If optimal conditions, with full world buffs, raid buffs, bis gear, -19% penalty mostly or all gone due to heroic strike spam, in a raid (remember WBs greatly benefit melee with all the ap, crit, and haste) on targets with at most 5% armor match fury warrior dps lmao. So of course out in the world, you find a boomkin, he does 400% your dmg and you have 0% chance of doing anything. Hunter and rogue are ascendant tier but the others like boomkin and spriest and S++ monsters in PVP and open world content because theyre hybrids that do as much dps as best situation fury warrior at all times with 100% armor pen on all their magic abilities and are ranged. They can also heal, heavily armored, high utility, etc. The whole package makes them god tier still. Its classic afterall, the game is much larger.
Imagine playing a fury warrior where 2% of your playtime you do the same damage as a hybrid class that is multiple times better than you at all other times. rip
no tf they do not bro lol. Hybrids are strong in open world bc they are hybrids. a class being able to solo grind mobs 1 by 1 or elites 1 by 1 doesnt make it S tier bc they do a fraction of ST raid boss DPS as a class such as fury warrior. Having “sustain” doesnt make a class S tier. also i play a SP and in comparison to p2 and 3, SP in p4 is absolutely trash (sure not into fighting a warrior specifically) warriors are not 1v1 classes and will NEVER be. this has been documented for literally 20 years homie. you choose warrior, you choose all its pros and cons. warrior has reigned supreme for #1 spot in all avenues of ERA 2004-2008 vanilla+tbc even arguably most of wrath.
SoD is about bringing balance and making the trash specs/classes viable or onpar-little stronger than the classes that were alrdy dominating (war rog mage).
Yes i might play priest but im unbiased. im not trying to argue, just stating the reality of it. I wont even be playing my priest after this week as i am quitting it and maining my rogue over it. I’ve played hunter, rogue and priest all 4 phases. just took a break from hunter and rog for p4
rogue is absolutely playing @ TBC lvls basically all of SoD minus p2(even tho they were broken asf in gnomer aswell)
i will say that my SP in pvp for 1v1s is strong into all specs/classes besides rogues, rets some shamans and some locks. and in pve is trash besides solo content
GROAN if I hear one more argument hinged on this one statement I will lose my gd mind
Im looking at WCL right now and boomkin and fury warrior are a pixel off from each other, so youre wrong. ALso feral is insane at the moment.
THeyre strong because they have more armor, more mitigation, tons of self healing potential, ranged roots and utility, and massive insane amounts of burst with starfall/starsurge/moonfire/sunfire spam and 1.5 sec 4k starfires.
Again, Im literally looking at WCL and youre wrong.
they arent an anything class. Theyre a one trick mid-pack pony as fury and F tier at everything else, with Arms being completely dead and F tier at all content in the game.
This is just wrong. In classic, heroic strike spam removed the -19% hit penalty in an auto attack game and as a result was good in raid but because that condition cant be met outside of raid/WBs you were bad at everything else. TBC they were okay by the end with legendaries. WotLK there was bottom barrel trashcan all expansion with other classes like rogue, which was #1, scaling harder than it in phase 2. It wasnt until armor pen that it scaled better and even then other armor pen classes like feral scaled as well or better (with feral doing quite a bit more damage post-ICC). If Fury didnt get to benefit from Shadowmourne it would have never gone past middle of the pack as the item alone was 10% dmg increase. Feral nonetheless without a legendary still did 10% more more damage post ICC lol. Even from a PVP perspective Arms had among, if not, the worst success rate of any class, with very high representation at 1600 and much lower at 2600 (i.e. 13% rep down to 6% rep) where other classes like mage would go from 3% rep to 12% rep base on Ironforge data. It did poorly in any tournies.
SoD basically flipped 2019 WCL chart upside down and then skewed it more to have an even bigger gap from the top to bottom without addressing any of the other issues resulting on classes like hunter, rogue, boomkin, spriest becoming even more dominant outside of raid.
Yes rogue is pretty good, its a dev fav for sure. TBC was hilarious with rank 1s and pro tournies being double rogue 2s or druid double rouge in 3s 
. Class by itself was almost 70% of rank 1 representation. Somehow forums didnt seem to care. Odd. Not all classes are perceived the same.
only rogue, hunter, mage, and lock do better and not by much. You using the same WCL website I am lmao?
There is no such thing as a PVP spec. There are PVP talents. Every tree has PVE and PVP talents. Fire mage in wotlk was S++ in PVE and S+ glad spec in PVP? Was it a PVP or a PVE spec?
What spec is boomkin, ele, enhance, spriest, etc? Ranged hunter? Why are all these “pve” specs so good at PVP?
If arms is a PVP spec, why is it the worst pvp class/spec combination in the game, losing to almost every, if not EVERY, spec that any other class has?
The game’s history proves this point makes no sense. Sub is great in cata, is that not a pvp spec?
A classes power comes form a combination of damage, survivability, and utility. Some spec routes allow you to go mega into utility and survivability, and give up some dps. Others allow more dps and less of other options. You can opt for more burst and less sustain, etc. But what does arms get? Its made of paper, does less than half the damage of anyone else, and has among the lowest utility. Hardly a PVP sec.
You have no idea about retail to make that comment.
Fury>arms in pvp and pve.
Sometimes Arms>Fury in pve.
sometimes Fury>arms in pvp.
Currently Fury is better then arms in pve and pvp.
The top half of Arms is good and the bottom half of Fury is good. Don’t really think of them as different specs, just one good tree split into two.
#1 war compared to #1 boomy in the world, the war is doing on average 1-2k DAMAGE PER SECOND more than the boomy on every boss wtf are you smoking? or do you not kno how to read logs/understand them? you have to use the top players as an example, not “overall averages” bc that only represents the overall of current players playing those specs. you have to base max dps output of the top #1 of said class. not to mention, no class scales more with GEAR than warrior. this is another reason why you see no warriors in the first 1-2 weeks on top 100 but now theres like 13+ of them or however many there are rn. that # will only grow
nice, you just defined the word hybrid. even non-hybrid mele have all this in their own respective ways. next question.
again, you literally are not reading logs correctly. add me on discord and il stream share to help you. (cant post sc or links on forums).
warriors are warriors, thats like saying “my class sucks bc i dont have a charge but warriors do” class design matters. lets say a boomy in open world is broken 1v1 but warrior sucks 1v1 but in 2v2 with a healer that warrior beats 100% of classes that are also only with a healer etc. use brain, think critically.
no its not. warrior is 100% without a doubt the king of ERA, tbc and most of wrath especially in pvp/arena.
partially yes and nothing is wrong with that but its not 100% true.
no. you are wrong. literally blizzard entertainment class design specifically designed certain specs to be drastically more dominant in pvp and weaker in pve vise versa - example - mortal strike = 50% reduce healing?? are you reducing the healing that an MC boss heals? no, youre not. thats is 100% a player vs player talent/ability. use your brain cuz im not going to explain it but compare all 3 rogue specs to each other. i shouldnt even have to explain or type this sht dude come on now.
yes i do. ive been on top 100 mdi and didnt even push for it. just casually pushed w/ some friends who later ranked on top. (im actually a good player) have a handful of CE’s and every aotc from start to finish minus SL and DF. ive peaked 3k cr and just about every single class/spec in the game 2200-2400 on average. on blizz and “other” servs w/ a handful of r1s. thats why i literally come on these forums and just blast all of you on topics and noone has yet to actually give any proper input on any subject being discussed other than aruging inexperience or feelings
but yeah, i am a little wrong with what i said/compared to retail. i was moreso stating that for “classic” vanilla,tbc,wotlk,cata and tbh it still falls suit up until like majority of xpacks to current retail. for example, you rarely will see fury out perform arms in the highest mmr 3k-3500 in 3s but some seasons fury will. but the MAJORITY, nah
another example in bfa sub rog was #1 raid dps but it was only like that for 1 raid tier / assa is sometimes top 3s spec but not the majority. even outlaw was #1 for a few seasons but sub still reigns supreme
now in classic? arms/sub without a question in every season from s1 until like s14 or something lmao (thats why i said that)
Arms warrior was better then fury in most of wotlk. for pve and pvp.
cata is 100% arms warrior is better then fury for pve.
tbc had a good period where arms was better then fury for pve.
so idk if you really do know what your talking about.
Classic was pretty much the only time where Fury was always top for pve.
Also fury warrior last two season was better then arms of DF. as well as in Shadowlands.
so idk man you might want to rethink what you said.
no, arms pvp, fury pve in wotlk. did you even play wotlk? where tf did you come up with this LOL
true, but the dps is nearly the same. but in pvp still arms
doesnt matter if at a single point in time, arms was still better in pvp and fury pve
i 100% bet everything that you are some 1200 peak arena player, low raider io and trash logs. like i legit would bet my life on it so ya i bet your opinion holds a crap load of value KEK
You clearly didn’t play wotlk arms was better in nax and uld. Fury became better once it got mega armor pen as it would.
all I can see is you actually have little knowledge on this game. Keep acting like you know anything.
Buff warriors let’s get some eyes on this