I said this is my monk and you’re talking about damage and healing which they don’t lack. They lack a DR which makes them undesireable…
Are you reading someone elses comment? I went back and looked at mine and theres nothing about lacking healing. Link me where I put that, this whole thing is about lacking damage and about mythic +, you’re saying they don’t lack damage in mythic + compared to other healers? Eh?
What I put is “mw is the lowest healer” not the lowest healing, the lowest healer on the list of healers. I guess you guys don’t look at icy veins or wowhead or any charts.
And thats all you said was this is my monk, the end. Good enough arguement…
The guy who made the thread said in the main comment “Please consider buffing our damage because I enjoy playing mistweaver because this is what we lack”.
And your guildy saying,
Are you two just trolling me, how about go for the main guy who opened the thread then who claims mw damage is too low, if you seem to think they don’t lack damage take it up with the Gummy. Jesus Christ…
Pretty sure that’s actually the same person who switched characters to showcase experience, hence why they opened with
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Also, the Icy Veins article you linked specifically notes it’s the lack of reliable damage reduction that makes mistweaver undesirable, and also notes that our damage is actually decent.
“Their damage output is decent, so with a slight change in their utility toolkit, we can see this spec rising!”
Oh I see that explains it, he didn’t need to switch to show his chars he could of just said he played monk or named that monk and I could looked them up.
I know it says that on icyveins but they do lack the damage, most in this thread are saying it, and the main comment from Gummy who made the thread is saying they lack the damage. Compared to other healers they aren’t worth taking in mythic+ because of it. But I’m not sure why this Botán chose to attack me for saying they have low damage and not the guy who made this thread saying they do low damage.
Yep. My 230 disc priest easily out dpses my 252 monk in keys.
I think the problem is SCK is just very underpowered. Probably could use another +20% buff at least.
Other than that, I am not really sure what else blizzard could do this xpac to fix mw in keys short of massive legendary redesigns and nerfs to paladin/shaman. I’m also 100% sure the reason monk is undesirable is due to lacking dps, and not lacking a tank dr or w/e. especially considering how strong resto shaman is w/o a tank external.
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As much as I want to up our ability to damage and be comparable to the Paladins and Shamans, I do not want to do it at the expense of what makes us who we are.
The real issue is that the Paladin and Shaman are overtuned due to their covenant abilities and we are asking to be broken like they are. If you reworked “Vesper Totem” and “Ashen Hallow” and brought those abilities down to something that was reasonable, we would not be having this discussion.
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Yeah and so does my Paladin and Shaman at 230… but why is that? It is because of their covenant abilities and the amount of damage that comes from them. Without those abilities, Monks are stable dps for a healer. At 250 - 251, I can consistently pull 2k to 4k dps… in boss fights.
It isn’t as sexy as 10k+ that the Paladin and Shaman is doing on large pulls, but our damage isn’t shabby either.
There is more to this than meets the eyes… The Shaman and Paladins when using the covenants and leggos that make them dps powerhouses also hurt their hps. So played at a high level with other players that do well, they can really shine. However, they lack in the ability to heal as effectively as we do. There is a trade off…
I think they should add SCK to ATotM and then tune the damage to healing % on ATotM and the damage of TP, BoK, RSK, and SCK as needed. So we can do good damage and healing.
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Why in the world would any healer be complaining about doing damage lmao. You are not dps go heal.
Assuming troll? Not caring about healer damage in small group content is a mentality straight from 2012. It’s not everything, but why do you think Hpally and resto shaman were so dominant in m+ this expansion?
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I only see them dominate in keys that 99.9% of the playerbase will never do
In the rest of the keys levels I don’t see one dominate healer
Sure, and in that context mw damage is a big issue as far as representation goes.
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I was thinking Corrosive Dosage could be make into a talent and take the place of Jade Serpent Statue, which should be baseline anyways.
The Corrosive Dosage talent would then be on a 45 sec CD and empower your next 3 vivifys or empowers vivify for the next 5 secs.
This would give MWs an alternative to fistweaving and pvp MWs a way to help out, since fistweaving MWs in PvP would immediately die. Giving Corrosive Dosage a CD and a short duration would prevent us from just making a vivify spam build.
I actually really like this. Hire this guy (or gal or W/E you ID as) blizz.
Playing a shaman feels good… though at the same time … dirty…
Just wanted to repeat how good this guy’s idea is. I hope blizz reads.
While were at it they should add these effects so MW can do dmg instead of fistweaver:
1)Buff Crackling Jade Lightning damage by a significant amount baseline.
2)Casting Renewing Mist grants 33% increased damage to Crackling Jade Lightning, stacking up to 3 times.
3)Additionally, every 3 ticks of Soothing Mist grants 33% increased damage to Crackling Jade Lightning.
4)Soothing Mist and Essence Font are added to Thunder Focus Tea. Using Soothing Mist to consume Thunder Focus Tea allows Soothing Mist to be castable while moving for 8 seconds. Using Essence Font to consume Thunder Focus Tea makes Essence Font deal damage instead of heal.
These changes would be pretty sweet. Using EF for damage is balanced because you can only do it once per 30s with TFT and also you have to choose between the heal or the damage.
Would also they consider this as a new talent to replace Jade Serpent Statue (making JSS baseline): Teachings of Yulon - Each tick of Soothing Mist (from Jade Serpent Statue and the monk) generates a stack of Lively Chi. At 20 stacks, the Jade Serpent Statue comes to life and breaths Jade fire on nearby enemies, dealing damage and healing allies.
If there is to be AOE damage from Spinning Crane Kick, there needs to be a an equivalent version for MW. Just boosting CKL only mimics the damage that RSK/TP /BOK does for fistweaving. Having EF deal damage would be useable for both fistweaving and mist weaving. This talent would benefit mistweavers more than fistweavers since Soothing Mist is essential to their rotation as opposed to the melee abilities.
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Look I’m a fistweave fan boi but worth those changes I would def give emperor palpamonk a try!