So what you’re saying is warriors Technically not Using an ability Starting to use it and then canceling it repeatedly,Paladens literally snapshoting and Paladens literally sitting there pressing one button which isn’t even an attack by the way.
Are all good Game play ? Ummmmm ya ok
spoken like a true warrior salty that a paladin did more dps than him
Lol Are you kidding me ? Bro i’ve played ret Sense original tbc all the Way too bfa And have you looked at any of my other posts.
I’m maining paladin in sod And given numerous other ideas to fill in seal twistine’s spot I’m fine with paladins doing good damage in fact i’m happy they are.
I’m just saying seal twisting isn’t fun I mean I would prefer them put in Templars verdict With an art of war mechanic Over seal twisting.
Twisting is a great rotation with a cult fanbase who currently have nowhere to play it. Seal of the Martyr is currently a dead rune that does less ST, less burst and obviously less AOE than divine storm, the AOE option. Seals are the definitive mechanic for vanilla ret, and gameplay that plays around them just makes sense. Obviously some people don’t like twisting, but those people can always just decide to take divine storm and play a WOTLK type ret.
I would love to see viable builds for both twisting and players that prefer not to seal twist. TBC ret paladin is the most fun I have ever had playing wow. A fun challenging and dynamic rotation mixed with the class fantasy of paladin is exactly what I think of when I imagine playing wow. I get it’s not for everybody though, that being said why can’t we have a build with and without it? Having SoC be absolutely worthless seems like a huge waste of the ret tree, and makes the class feel way more of a modern paladin then a classic paladin play style.
It’s so weird, everyone who wants to twist is like “Yea go ahead use divine storm if you find it more fun” and all the divine storm people are like “No, we want to get rid of twisting and force divine storm.”
Like wth we have the option for both play styles to be viable.
Big this. Devs seem to want to force the divine storm playstyle while nerfing martyr and forcing us out of twisting.
they want everyone to be gimped like them, imagine their real lives
Working on any spec is inherently dedicating time to a vast minority of the playerbase. This argument of yours is moronic and it just underscores that you have no actual position besides an irrational dislike of this mechanic. You’re saying anything and everything you can think of and hoping something sticks, as if discussions are games to be won.
Seal twisting is incredibly fun, there are other viable options if it’s not for you. It’s definitely the most fun thing about pally. Its really disappointing getting to 20 and realizing command is functionally useless unless you play divine storm.
Yes please let us 1-way twist command into martyr! Tbc ret was much more fun and challenging compared to wrath playstyle. Ive enjoyed twisting martyr and righteous so far at low levels. I like the idea of having to choose between martyr and ds to keep both playstyles viable.
The question for me is can you Twist without addons?
When you ask for such things, you have to consider that druid’s wf is in the game + hand of justice. If twisting is viable, divine storm will be way way behind.
As a forever ret/reck pvp pally i am already thinking about SotM boosting reck bomb a lot : seal part scales with weap damage + can crit. Imagine 5 autos with SotM + crusader strike in 1 global with a few procs of shadow oil. It will be much more stronger, than OG vanilla SoR reck bomb.
Judgment part is strong too. When you pick up a stronger weapon, you get a significant boost of your damage. No other seal scales that good. And its mana cost is laughable. I wonder if it will be 0 at 60 lvl with libram from t0,5 chain q summon boss from DM.
I am 100% in the camp to bring Command > Martyr Seal Twisting back. I like Wrath Ret well enough, but I’ve been missing Seal Twisting since TBC died. There was a certain excitement about playing that kind of casino spec. When everything proc’d and you got a big swing off, was hugely satisfying. And it was pretty disappointing to see twisting not work specifically with Command. Especially when it does work with Righteousness.
I’d personally like to see Seal Twisting Command > Martyr for my single target playstyle, while having Divine Storm for AoE heavy encounters. Even if they just geared it toward Divine Storm being a consistent dps playstyle, and Seal Twisting being a high-risk, high-reward style, with higher highs, but lower lows, I’d be cool with that too. Let me and Paladins that like it roll those dice.
Seal twisting reminds me of bear weaving with feral in wotlk which blizzard made changes to so people didnt feel obligated to bear weave to be competitive/optimal. As someone said already the idea of seal twisting sounds anti fun and i have to agree. I play paladin and definitely dont want to have to deal with this type of gameplay to be optimal. Heres to hoping they get rid of seal twisting all together.
On the contrary, Seal Twisting was a lot of fun. It was very satisfying to hit a target for six crits in a single GCD. Melee > SoC > SoM > SoM > WF > SoM. Boom. And if they all crit? Beautiful.
This honestly has to be an oversight by the devs, I am sure if we keep this at the forefront of their minds they will quickly fix the spells so that they can be seal twisted again, they probably have alot on their plates at the moment, but in all honesty for many players who play paladin this is one of their favourite mechanics playing the class in classic, a cool skill set which feels extremely satisfying to perform.
Please devs, fix Seal of Command and Seal of Martyr so that they can be seal twisted again.
rets should get this
they should also have a teleport, call it righteous blink
also stealth, cloak of vengeance
its just not enough that their 1-25 toolkit is already bonkers
wheres my path of arthas that gives me death knight abilities too, i need anti magic zone. zone of the light
if anyone so much as looks at them it should blind them too
can they please have a polymorph too to round out their kit. holy sheep will do
Stupid argument. We are asking for a playstyle to be made viable instead of forcing a playstyle a part of the ret player base hates. We aren’t saying force people who like divine storm to to stop playing divine storm or nerf divine storm. We want both playstyles to thrive, but only ONE GROUP of players want to out of sheer spite, is the divine storm fans?
What are you scared of if both playstyle are viable?
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