This is an interesting sentiment. Can you elaborate on this, please?
Thereâs already an in built race change system. Itâs under the âcreate new characterâ button.
Its pay to win because youâre paying money to swap your racials to what ever is the best for what ever youâre planning on doing the most at that given time. You are no longer bound to the choice you made at the character select screen simply because you can throw money at Blizzard to alter your racials to what ever you want.
You explicitly said you wanted to be a gnome for PvP. Youâre now down with PvP so now you want to be a human. I completely understand why you want your race changeâŚand I am trying to tell you that it flies in the face of everything Vanilla and Classic stands for.
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Classic represents old RPGs where choice matters. Your character is a gnome, not a race changing millennial.
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Possibly, but possibly not.
I can remember when Vanilla was the current flavor, there was some uproar on the forums. People complained and stated, âIâm quitting,â over arbitrary and unexpected changes that could happen on any given Tuesday to their class, or the world, and that would change things like why they rolled what they rolled when they made the decision to roll that way.
On the other hand, we were given Classic as a âmuseum piece,â maybe⌠so is it really so unreasonable not to expect changes to be made that undermine our initial choices (based on 15+ years of historical data and potentially experience)?
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I could be more understanding if this wansât a completely solved 15 year old game. Everything was all ready known going in. The absurd power level of the Human racial was completely known (even in the Vanilla days) before character creation was opened up.
The only changes I can even think of that effect BGs are the Removal of the AV#s/Slight AV queue for Alliance, The removal of the scores-screen before the gates open and disabling the WSG portalsâŚthat is it. PvP not turning out how he expected is not the same as PvP changing drastically though.
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It isnât.
If Street Fighter II was re re-leased, and everybody had 26 years of practice to perfect exploiting Guileâs invisible throw, and that became âthe meta,â such that everybody played Guile, then Capcom might determine that in the best interest of the game and the community, they would unglitch the game.
If I rolled my race/class combination based on the initial, or first few months of Classicâs release, knowing that it was based on patch 1.12, and not anticipating changes that would more or less invalidate my decisions, then is it really unreasonable ask for (or at least hope for) a 1 time race change?
(âYes, it is totally unreasonable. This is Classic!â is an acceptable answer, and Iâm most comfortable with this, but at the same time, I think the question is definitely worth discussing.)
Right. And to be fair to the topic, your other point is fairly compelling:
Gladly, the game has made changes to PvP.
It is cross server.
World PvP is dead is dead because of this.
Cross server forces a larger population of Premades because of queue time issues.
Because of the massive racial imbalance more players chose to be horde. When you combine that with the population of ALL servers it makes queue times really bad. It removed the incentive to PvP solo for horde because they donât want to sit in queue for 20 minutes just to come across an alliance premade and lose.
Blizzard is simply picking and choosing different different patches to patch the game together. There is nothing âauthenticâ about it.
It is a legion client not vanilla
Its a massive frankenstein collection of patch content (some early and some late vanilla, not always the iconic version either.
It is the TBC version of AV NOT classic.
The current choice blizzard made was to implement spell batching (something that was removed from the game by patch 1.12 when servers got better)
Spell batching effects PvP
Because of the current system implemented in PvP it removes (in my opinion) the fun of it.
There are a lot more that i canât remember off the top of my head.
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In your hypothetical, if they did change something so drastically that it was actually meta-shifting, I think I could be more understanding too. However, I donât think the 3 changes that have been made to battlegrounds so far come anywhere near qualifying of that.
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Every single think you have listed there was known prior to character creation. Nothing was changed after you made the choice to be a gnome. PvP not turning out the way you expected or hoped it would is not a change worthy off a race change.
I do understand your opinion and where you come from. The reality however is that a Race change will not affect anyone else but that player.
You are talking about choice? Iâve told you why they removed and invalidated mine. You are constantly changing topics toward a personal agenda of yours and not addressing why I shouldnât be allowed to race change.
I like the game, Iâm going to continue to play either way. But listening to someone say how its a 15 year old game you knew what you signed up for then just to backtrack once multiple people point out MULTIPLE changes confuses me.
Its old, keep it old! Change nothing! Really? They have made a LOT of changes and still continue to patch things.
Tell me why or how me changing races affects your game play?
It effects me because anyone with enough money will always have the best racial for what ever situation they compete against me with.
Trying to parse this week? let me just pay money for the best PvE racials. Trying to do some PvP now? Throw money at the screen and give me PvP racials. It effects me because I will be bound to my choice, sacrificing raid DPS by not being an Orc while others get the best of both worlds by spending more money.
Do something else with your life, OP. I find it dumbfounding that you could possibly think your idea stands a chance at being implemented.
Youâve got time obviously, might as well watch the Classic announcement to better understand why you are currently fighting a losing battle.
Thank you for taking the time to give a thorough explanation 
According to any sort of consensus numbers Iâve seen, there are actually (a lot) more Alliance than Horde.
Itâs pretty well known that queue times for Horde are longer than queue times for Alliance. Whether long or short queue times is good or bad is debatable, and perhaps a personal preference.
Perhaps. Still many people solo queue on both sides. Many group queue. Iâm not sure what the point here is. âIt removed the incentive to PvP solo for hordeâ - what is âitâ in this context?
Perhaps the biggest difference here is the macro system! (NOBODY is nor has complained about the macro system).
Not quite. The TBC version of AV started from 2.0, not 1.12.
Some of the changes that happened to AV starting from 2.0 are linked to in a post I made earlier today (linked here for your convenience):
Spell batching supposedly exists in Retail right now and has always existed.
Equally for everybody? Or is there something about it that gives advantages to some people/classes/etc.?
âthe current systemâ could be better defined here. From some of the forum posts, it doesnât seem that you are alone in thinking this (though whether that is true to Vanilla or not could be debatable).
Fair enough. Thank you for sharing your thoughts thus far
Hardly, the game has been out for 15 years, players already know what the best race is right? Thats what you said, yet players who are trying to parse are Human or Orc already. They wont race change.
Players who wanted an advantage in PvP donât get one because its all Premades and there is no world PvP. This
This is exactly my point, there is no PvP advantage anymore it doesnât exist! My choice to have an advantage in PvP at character creation was removed because of the current iteration of the game! That was NOT my choice. The amount of premade groups spamming PvP to simply Farm the other faction isnt fun.
You arent wrong on the Alliance Vs horde census numbers. The issue however is PvE vs PvP servers. Alliance numbers on PvE servers dramatically outnumbers horde.
Horde have a larger player base on PvP servers when you only compare PvP vs PvP Alliance V Horde. This is the cause of the queue times being so long for horde and instant queues for alliance.
Spell batching does exist in current retail WoW, I should of elaborated it better. They intentionally rolled back to a much earlier version of spell batching to make for a more âAuthenticâ experience. They basically forced lag on all players and no its not an advantage on either side just simply a change i was making note of.
The âcurrent systemâ Iâm referring to is the player base itself reacting to PvP by turning it into a âMass PvP farmâ
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I have said what I have said. And at this point weâre talking past each other and repeating the same points. The fact-of-the-matter is that if you allow people to spend money to change their race at will, people will exploit it. You may not, but there will be a non-insignificant percentage of the player base who will.
At this point though, i donât think there is anything anyone would tell you to change your mind. Your situation sucks, but I personally believe your efforts are spent in other placesâŚbecause race changes simply arnât gonna happen.
I strongly suggest you invest in a pair of Edgemasterâs Handguards.
In my opinion, if they allow paid server transfers then they should offer this service as well. Not like it hurts any aspect of the game play, unlike what many players have already done to help ruin this game.
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âThe issueâ could be the topic of a lot of very interesting studies, imo. Perhaps some grad school students would take interest in Classic and weâll see some research papers emerge at some point.
That seems to be the case for the majority of PvP servers, for sure (though not all. And thatâs worth noting. Alliance isnât a minority. Itâs a Majority, and this line of thinking is claiming minority status. Kind of like saying Chinese people on Native American reservations are a minority: Certainly that may be the case, but Chinese people are not typically a minority population).
I donât like it either, for whatever thatâs worth. However, I do consider it to be âfairâ in the sense thatâs itâs equally frustrating to deal with for all of us. (I donât consider it to be an enjoyable âfeatureâ of Classic - but it wonât prevent me from continuing my subscription).
Mmm⌠communication in 2020 is exponentially ahead of communication in 2004.
reroll bro.