and generally complaining are actually part of classic wow. Not a great part, to be sure, but they were always around in game and on the forums. So, we should think of them as just part of the game.
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I like the cut of your jib. ![:beers:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/beers.png?v=6" ":beers:")
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Iâm more likely to adopt this perspective once I see the game live, and understand completely whether and to what extent the devs stood by their guns.
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Considering the devs wanted to buff the underperforming raiding specs too even back during vanilla, but didnât have the time to, yep, itâs vanilla alright.
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Nope.
In 2004 we couldnât imagine the game as it stands. Today, we know the outcome of changes so there is no reasonable argument to pat the trolls on the head like they still belong.
Weâve already travelled the âBUT MUH CHANGESâ road and donât like where it went - which is why we are here with Classic, if you didnât notice.
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Changes got us Retail. SoâŚyeahâŚno.
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While I donât like it, itâs true that Vanilla was full of people begging for all kinds of stuff.
Just go check out the 05-06 forums on the way back machine. The class forums were loaded with people wanting a million changes.
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Again, we already have changes and know where it leads.
Classic is here BECAUSE of all the changes. Why pretend like we donât have the past DECADE AND A HALF of changes to see where that road leads?
Did I say make changes? No. Does anything I have posted ever indicate that I support changes? NoâŚ
I was simply saying that viewing the old Vanilla era forums posts is funny. I had forgotten how many people begged for the very features that turned WoW to garbage.
Context my friend. ContextâŚ
Read the OP.
We are talking about how the OP thinks itâs fine that we have trolls begging for changes to Classic because we had people begging for changes in Vanilla.
Keep up.
Well you responded to my post, so maybe just respond to the OP next time.
The only âchangesâ id like to see would be a lot further down the road. When or if they decide to do the same with bc, wrath etc.
Fix the gear scaling issue. Change the model from a large spike style model to a more linear one. Also lower the ilvl of gear that drops from the first zone or whatever to be lower than epics and only have it start overtaking around 50% of the newer content.
Although i agree nothing should change in classic
The âNo Changesâ people act like the game jumped immediately from Vanilla to BFA. The changes everyone complains about happened over the course of over a decade. Its not like the devs flipped a switch and suddenly we went from farming scourge stones to grinding Islands for AP. A lot of things happened in between.
Similarly, its not like people asking for ret paladins to be a little more viable are asking for holy power and Divine Storm.
People complaining that any form of change will make Classic just like retail dont think about the fact that retail was fourteen years in the making.
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no, we donât. but the fact of the matter is that even the best of intentions has downsides.
and when the entire goal of classic wow is to be an authentic recreation of vanilla, i donât see why you need changes at all.
except some of them do want retail style balance. which wouldnât work with vanilla class design at all.
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Most of them have just been hiding on pservers. Not all, but a large majority. So they havenât really seen all the changes.
I agree we got some really bad ones. However some have been really great. Which a lot of angry mob haters overlook.
I would love to see blizz continue releasing oldet content expansions. Keeping the basic content the same. However learning from what didnât work or what got wow to its current stat. And deciding to simply not implement something that was scene as a bad choice.
not everyone is going to agree on everything.
what you may view as a good change someone else really doesnât like.
Itâs certainly true that itâs historically accurate, and at the time, it was even a reasonable thing to ask for. I was among them asking for various changes at times.
The thing to remember is that Classic is not Vanilla. Vanilla was a live game being updated. When the game is already being updated, and is already receiving changes no matter what, itâs perfectly reasonable to share your opinion on which changes should be made. Classic is not a live game and is not being updated. This is why it is unreasonable to ask for changes.
Itâs the difference between ordering a burger and saying âbut no picklesâ (which is reasonable, even though youâre wrong and pickles are delicious) or grabbing a pre-made burger from a store and expecting the employees to have opened it, removed the pickles, and rewrapped it just for you.
This is true.
However im pretty sure most people can agree that changes like giving tanks a mitigation style combat instead of a âŚoh look im just sitting here holding threat style was an improvement. Being a tank back before that change was honestly boring.
That was just an example.
again it depends on your preference.
i prefered when each tank had there own niche (like paladins were the aoe/block tank, druids were the dodge/mitigate tanks etc in BC).
but another person may much prefer the modern style of play where threat is an after thought and tanks focused mainly on self healing and activated abilities (which frankly i hate, i think itâs dumb).
fact is though, that this is supposed to be an authentic recreation of vanilla wow and that does not mean âFixingâ what someone views as a problem.
if everyone got their one fix it wouldnât be classic anymore.
Oh im not talking about niches i love that.
Im talking about old school tanking when you literally didnât need to do a thing to survive but hold threat. I could literally just stand still. Do only enough to make sure i was holding threat and id never worry about dying. Thats the boring model i ess referring to.
Am i suggesting they change thay on classic. No i am not. They should keep everything the same ad it was.