That’s why they don’t want to implement this change. They want their specific view of what’s good and right to be the only acceptable answer, even if almost everyone disagrees. Why else would they be so against a vote, particularly such a conservatively designed one?
its a lie that blizzard has said they intend to make it authentic? wow. just wow. i give up. you can’t even accept facts.
“In restoring World of Warcraft Classic, our guiding principle has been to provide an authentic experience”
“We felt this was important to restore to provide this authentic experience”
“Allen Adham wanted communities. ‘Everybody knows your name’ like Cheers.”
– Source: ClassiCast#13 Interview with Mark Kern on YouTube (41:20) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izCBaGfGJCg
J. Allen Brack, now Blizzard CEO, said he understands how important the authentic Vanilla experience is for this community and phasing is not something we want.
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
oh look. there is authentic again.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/world-of-warcraft-classic-raises-a-lot-of-question/1100-6454675/
oh look. another authentic.
oh look. authentic. everywhere authentic
oh look, yet more authentic.
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And there are those that cannot accept that Classic may not have their desired QOL covneniences. Why else would they be so adamant about being able to try to change classic to be what they want with a player controlled voting system?
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As somebody who is from OSRS and has played it since day 1 (also voted in the poll for it to even come back and fought for it) saying that OSRS is the same as it was when it came out is laughable and not even able to be discussed seriously in any shape or form. The idea that retail wouldn’t affect this polling system is 100% false especially since the membership gives them access to it there is no barrier to stop them from just voting in changes and that is exactly what has happened in OSRS.
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Thank you for taking the time to make a well-reasoned point. I do have criticisms of how that vote was handled (not the least of which is that they voted on multiple issues at once which they no longer do), but in my opinion, the voting system should never have been voted on. If even 30% of the playerbase was against changing the game, they could vote no every time but they don’t. If anything, it shows some of them had a knee jerk response to the idea of votes ruining the game and later reconsidered when they saw that some changes were good for the game.
Jagex has never done such a thing again, and even popular new skills such as sailing that barely missed the mark were not pushed through. And even if Jagex did go back on their promise, that is something wrong that they would do and does not mean Blizzard would do the same.
I can accept it just fine, and will play classic if none of my suggestions make it in. I’m just expressing my opinion and engaging with people who disagree with me. What I don’t like is people acting like they represent anyone besides themselves (especially when they attempt to speak on behalf of Blizzard) and coming into every thread to shut down discussion. If no changers were truly confident that no changes will happen, they would just stop posting and wait for Blizzard to release the game. But they know there is a chance that Blizzard will consider well-reasoned and articulated arguments, so they by-and-large just throw fits and their own feces around about it.
I addressed this earlier when I said
Jagex hasn’t pushed things through? They pushed the equivalent of the WoW token in by holding F2P hostage which if you want real authentic OSRS it has to have. They would have times where they would have the OSRS F2P be available and it was proven to be successful every single time financially. Not to mention everything was polled separately up until this point, but now you had to vote in Bonds or the game would never get F2P. So the idea that Jagex has never abused the polling system or repolled things is a joke I can give multiple examples of them doing just that.
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i don’t speak on blizzards behalf. i am reiterating what they themselves have said over and over again in the past little over a year. and that is the goal of classic is authentic.
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As I said, I addressed this earlier in the thread when I said
Yeah that’s what they said about OSRS at first as well, but then about 2 months went by and it started to show because once they have the account they can vote in every single poll that is there and will be made.
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Okay i am done.
i literally linked like 7 different times of them saying the goal is Authentic and you can’t accept that. therefore you are obviously trolling.
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I am curious to hear more examples. I agree bonds shouldn’t be in OSRS or classic WoW, though they will somewhat be in classic since a player could use a bond on retail to play classic. The takeaway from this is that Blizzard ultimately arbitrarily make changes as they please, with or without the voting system. At least the voting system would provide numbers to gauge support. If they go back on the system, that would be bad, but they didn’t need a voting system to unilaterally change loot rules or sharding.
That’s why on release expect people to be doing money transfers (trust trades) it happened in OSRS and still happens because they didn’t give a damn.
As for some examples I’ll give some where they abused the polling system
Herbs: It used to be seen as unidentified until you got the level needed to clean them which would show what you had. This failed when suggested to be switched to the modern system which showed what you had but would be grimy meaning they still had to be cleaned. They repolled it and now it’s in the game forever.
Artisan skill: Repolled multiple times
Grand Exchange: Every aspect of it was polled and it failed. They then suggested a compromise with the obvious RS3 crowd who were used to it a trading post which would be a spot to put up offers, but would have to still meet up and could negotiate with the other player on the price. It came out and it wasn’t what was polled it was missing features that passed and it was terrible. Then they decided lets poll Grand Exchange a week later and now it’s in the game so GF player to player trading it died that day.
I can give more, but let’s talk about the edited part you added there which was that it could be used to gauge community interest as opposed to straight up being the be all end all.
I’m going to list the negative to that which is that this would require that you actually looked at who voted and how much they actually play because somebody who maybe spent an hour one week would have the same input as somebody who plays full time which is where you get the retail players messing with your votes. We all know Blizzard isn’t going to put in that level of work.
The positive I can actually back up with an event that happened in OSRS which almost led to the death of the game. It was an update called Nightmare Zone it was suggested to be a minigame where you could refight quest bosses. They added that it wasn’t going to be the best way to make experience. It seemed innocent enough and it passed. Release day the magic skill has been #@^&ed because you could exploit it to get free runes (what we need to cast magic) and get the best experience rate possible with profit I might add. It didn’t end there it also turned out that with a certain set of armour in the game and average stats players could stay there for 6 hours (that is when the game kicks you off automatically) and get experience and money without even being there. You could fall asleep and be getting experience and money. People shot up to the max levels quick and when they did the few bosses we had they started to leave resulting in a massive drop which almost killed the game. To top it off they polled whether the 6 hour AFKing should stay and over 50% voted yes. You can not trust players to vote in the games best interest they are only in it for themselves even when it was destroying the game. After seeing this I daresay the second option of it being used to gauge interest is better than just using it as a be all end all because of this.
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Asked and answered. Thank you for your perspective.
you dont have any points and didnt have to start with.
arguing for ways to tell blizzard to allow changes, is telling blizzard to allow changes. population controlled or not. the only thing i find amusing is how people are getting desperate in their attempt and they come up with more colorful ways on how to get it across to the community.
saying i loathe you, is still saying i hate you. regardless of how you go about it.
yet, its still more hilarious that you are getting offended at the fact that it didnt go over well.
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You should probably go watch the videos where the Classic Devs have already laid out what is going to happen. Then you might actually have a clue with what your discussing. Maybe someone will post it for the thousandth time.
If you don’t like it then the Classic Dev’s have already said, “go play BFA.”
#NO Changes, unless they are minor!
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ITT: “How to destroy your game with this one craaazy trick. Game devs hate him.”
That’s not what the no changer that I replied to said. Good try, though. I guess if you pretend I didn’t make any points, that’s kinda like I didn’t make any.
The only hilarious thing about this convo is your pathetic attempt to turn my rhetoric on itself and the subsequent failure. Feel free to try again!
still waiting for you to make any points, aside from the same tired fallacies.
one person agreed, so it makes it fact
im right because said person agreed with me, which is clearly the majority
i like how you even attempted to twist the definition of authentic lol.
when you have anything valid to say, let me know.