While I agree with most of what you said it would be an unfair assessment to say that FFXIV releases less content then wow especially recently in the time that wow has had shadowlands the game has released about 6 content drops and an entire expansion. And the savage raid tier while not mythic is also not comprable to Heroic it would be somewhere in between.
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To meâŚI would say Blizzard tried player housing. The problem I see was that everything was attached to it and now when the topic comes up at least some player are worried the experience would be Garrisons 2.0. I think obviously if they attempt player housing again it needs to NOT include stuff like nodes for profession mats and no AH access etc. It doesnât sound like this is the case for a lot of other Player Housing experiences in other games based on feedback in this thread.
It really just needs to be a fun place to hang out without all the negatives that Garrisons introduced. Tbh I am still surprised that of all the systems implemented, that the Mission table has survived every expansion since its implementation and I think its a waste of time.
I wouldnât mind seeing player housing come back but it has to be done right. FF14 housing is all I am familiar with and only through what Iâve read. I found that space being limited and not being able to have your own space if there isnât room was rather disappointing but those who have experienced it seem to love it.
Currently I think there are much bigger issues with the game that need to be addressed. Systems verse continuous systems I think is a big one and the sharding/phasing and all of that needs to change too. As so many point out there really arenât a lot of players in the world. Maybe the system adjusts to player population to unite more players or they do it manually or whatever but seeing 2 ppl on the way to 50, including opposing faction, kinda sucks. Its not the end of the world but its cool to run in to ppl especially if you get stuck on something. Hopefully addressing that would revive to a degree wpvp. I dont know that you can really get in to wpvp if you wanted to right now just because of the way expansions and Chromie time and all that work but that might not be completely true?
I think Burning Crusade and Wrath for sure need an overhaul for questing to bring them in line with other zones. The quests donât need to change as much as be more hub like. Terrokar for example I just quit because of the spacing. I would grab all the quests and found myself running all over the zone to do them all and adjusting that would make it feel smoother. I know other expansions have smoother experiences in terms of level pacing and I felt like I couldnât ignore those advantages even if that was an illusion. Addition of Bonus Objectives wouldnât hurt either but idk that this is required but its a feature I enjoy in newer spaces like Warlords zones etc. To be fair my point comes from leveling like 8 or 9 toons for heritage related stuff and at some point for expediency sake you have to take the path of least resistance which for me was BFA and the last 2 characters, Warlords. Warlords ironically offered the most challenge in leveling with mobs that absorb health so when you aoe pull and donât know thatâŚand some elites that were tougher for me on the class I was playing.
I guess I would like it to not feel like a player is handicapping themselves in terms of leveling speed and that they can get a similar leveling speed without it either being slow or feeling slower regardless of preferred expansion. I havenât compared speeds across expansions so it might not be fair to make that point but in terms of feel, it felt that way to me. Nevermind variances in classes and specs.
There are no doubt plenty of other issues. I do think that player housing can be implemented in a compelling and engaging way that doesnât leave the playerbase feeling like they did with Garrisons but I want this to be done well and I feel like there are other more pressing issues to address than player housing right now.
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The way a FF player acquires their house is very problematic. I would say if wow adopted that system it would benefit a few and cause many to quit.
Housing in FFXIV is actually horrible.
Iâd be shocked if more than 20% of the player base owns a house in FFXIV, even with the recent addition. Housing supply is extremely limited. Every player can expect to own an apartment, which is like a house but smaller with no exterior and a much lower placeable item limit. The item count isnât that high and doesnât scale well with the increasing size of houses, leading to homes that feel empty and people placing walls to seal off rooms/floors to focus on decorating the others.
There are really annoying restrictions on where items are placed, which means players need to resort to inconsistent glitches or breaking the TOS to download a third party addon to place items (almost) anywhere.
Compare this to WoW and FFXIV wins by default- because WoW has nothing.
Edit: Seriously, housing is complained about on FFXIVâs forum every week, far more than people request it here.
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Whatâs more likely? That they have any intention of adding it now after almost 20 years of failing to do so? Or that they are just saying this to pacify gullible people like the one in your mirror?
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Well, given that you resorted to insults, I see no reason to answer that question.
Maybe come into the conversation with a better attitude next time.
At the core WoWâs systems (once they have been finally sorted out) are better in the overall. You can look to the wardrobe system as an example. WoWâs world in the overall is more immersive and has no zone lines. However getting WoW to invest into these system requires the players to do the following:
- Have a 5 year old forum war.
- Nagg everyday and drop subs in a fit a kin to a Karen.
- Practically write the whole system for them and hand it to them on a silver plater.
- Send every blizzard employee a coffee drink at Blizzcon.
Ok ok, #4 is a jokeâŚbut 1-3 sadly are not. Player housing can be made into itâs own zone and put together with all of Blizzards assets without issue. But it would require a team of programmerâs to do it and sadly that team is on perpetual clean up duty. Cause you see they work for executives that have no clue whatâs going on and demand un-reasonable things that in their minds âwill workâ and âwill be the thing to save WoWâ. Example: The new dragon flying system, yeah itâs cool. But it will be scrapped at end of expac and offers no value to WoW as a whole. All and all itâs a fun way to waste programmer hours.
FF14 on the other hand, seems to have their base solid. Itâs like they have a fantastically fluffy chocolate cake base and all they have to work on is frosting. WoWâs basically doing fantastic fondant work on a vanilla cake with badly burnt parts.
darnet now I just made myself hungry! (walks away)
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It does seem like theyâve wasted a lot of time designing a lot of obsolete features. Itâs probably been all of these systems, along with the upkeep of (trying to) balance them, that have interefered with the development of other parts of the game⌠and why itâs so difficult trying to petition for player housing, along with even simpler updates.
For example, players have been posting for over two years to get the other Kul Tiran flight form variants (black, green, yellow) put back in the game. Not one blue response; no explanation as to why they were just removed from BfA PTR, and obviously no fix/reinsertion. Itâs why Iâm not pre-ordering DF.
If they still canât get the small stuff right, then why should I trust their QA and attention to detail on an entire xpac 
Just to re-iterate, hereâs an old bug report from BfA: Kul Tiran Flight Form - Support / Bug Report - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)
Players still reporting the same problem Apr '19, May '19, Jun '19, Oct '19, Jan '20, Apr '20, May '20, Jun '20, Jan '21, May '21, Dec '21, Jun '22.
Notice how many of them are still listed as 120. I wonder at what point they just gave up and/or unsubbed. But hey, at least we got had azerite, corruptions, and covenants instead of more customization options and player housing.
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