"Player agency" is a LIE... we are NOT Maw Walkers, STOP calling us that!

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My whole expectation for this expansion – and specifically Torghast – was that I’d have something new to do at the level / gear cap, outside of the same stuff that has been the norm in WoW… that we could pick what would be our endgame… the player agency they talked so much about at BlizzCon, and then LIED so much about at launch…

For me, this would have been endlessly climbing Torghast, up to floor 1000 or even 2000 and beyond… or endlessly exploring the Maw, wondering what I would uncover or find next… with maybe my only way out of both being – wait for it – A HEARTHSTONE… hell, it was part of my character fantasy toward the end of BFA, where I would be this survivalist of a Demon Hunter… AN ACTUAL MAW WALKER…

I was so hyped for all of this in December 2019, above all other games at that time, I came back during BFA and preordered Shadowlands… but this was all DASHED when I saw at launch, you basically put both the Maw and Torghast, not in a SANDBOX… but in a TINY CARDBOARD BOX…

My gripe with Torghast isn’t Soul Ash being the only reward, it’s that it isn’t rewarding in and of itself, because HOW CAN IT BE when there are ONLY A SET NUMBER OF FLOORS YOU CAN CLIMB before you are BOOTED OUT?!

Same with the Maw… never mind not being able to mount, how is the MAW, a supposedly endless expanse where the worst souls are kept… ONLY CONFINED TO THREE ISLANDS?! No wonder Sylvanas and the Jailer ended up shattering the sky glass, if they didn’t do it themselves, the whole thing would have happened on its own! “IT IS INEVITABLE!” -Said the Jailer… and THANOS…

Some of you HAVE to remember REAL games like ULTIMA ONLINE, BioWare / Bethesda classics, STAR WARS GALAXIES… this was Blizzard’s chance to redeem ALL their bull**** from Classic and previous expansions, and make TRULY UNIQUE content equivalent in scope to the gems with just two features… BUT THEY BLEW IT AT LAUNCH!

Blizzard, IT’S NOT TOO LATE TO FIX THIS MESS… because otherwise, why write ALL these redemption arcs for your villains, when you can’t even make ONE for yourself?!

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Oh okay…

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Was it too long for you?
:pleading_face:

Would you like a cookie as compensation?
:cookie:

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OP, eat a snickers.

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So you expected it to be like a full-fledged self-contained single player RPG, and you’re mad that it’s just another WoW expansion instead?

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Sorry, I don’t have any Snickers, but you can have a cookie and popcorn!
:popcorn: :cookie:

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Less sarcasm and more trying to get out of blue gear. clearly you haven’t even tried to experience the even limited parts of this expansion.

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Did you just compare Torghast to SWG? The greatest MMO of all time? I should slap you silly

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There’s no sense of exploration, excitement, actual awe when you are stuck staring at invisible walls… Torghast and the Maw were supposed to be a pioneer for WoW in procedurally generated content that could go beyond confines… instead, one is a 6 FLOOR HOUSE OF MIRRORS, while the other is a THREE ISLAND CIRCLE JERK… just like every other dungeon / raid / zone that came before…

I compared what it and the Maw both COULD have been to SWG… and Ultima Online… and other sandboxes…

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I get it. I don’t really like them either. I am just sayin’ …

… sometimes it’s good to temper your expectations.

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yeah i was stoked with torghast being a tower you can climb as far as you can, to see how far you can go, but instead I got an easy bake oven

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TLDR: unrealistic expectations and now I’m upset.

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i believe they are working on an ‘endless’ Torghast so don’t worry about that, believe that will be coming once all the holiday stuff calms down

as for player agency there’s unfortunately so much that can be done in an MMO setting: Remember in SWTOR where you could make dialogue choices in a dungeon except it was based in a roll system and other players spoke for you AND you got the consequences of what they said?

wasn’t great

i don’t think any of my choices matter all that much so far (was hoping for more of an impact with the side with Sylvanas/Saurfang choice outside of a shoddy cloak, ESPECIALLY with deciding to let N’Zoth inject an eyecrown on your face) but i like the choice between covenants mattering and that they mention there’s multiple Maw Walkers instead of you being the Champyun Maw Walker

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I technically still have that, I’m making the fools gamble that I’ll get something for it.

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Shadowlands getting fixed? …and I’m getting the full $2000 in the mail too. :smiley: /s

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well y’know Dagger Bae is still out there somewhere, except now with a hot new Elf body

maybe you’ll get something with that in the future

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yes.

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So you haven’t liked the game since launch but kept playing? Save for the breaks and returns I suppose.

I understand that people have a right to feedback about certain aspects of the game that may be less than what you’d expect from a MMO, cause let’s be honest there isn’t much multiplayer left in this game as it is. However you haven’t liked the game since classic. Perhaps you should… IDK… stop playing and find something else you might like.

I loved this game in vanilla, BC and even still liked WOTLK. It started catering to folks more solo content during Wrath and it got worse each xpac until now. Finally we are starting to see content that isn’t just ROLLFACEKEYBOARD, still not as much as an MMO should but more than BFA that’s for sure. I don’t think I grouped for much of anything in that xpac.

I wish you the best in whatever path you choose.

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What are you talking about? He’s in early mythic and heroic gear. He’s done way more than I have, group content-wise. Why be so gear snotty when you’re clearly wrong about it and he actually has experienced the game content?

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Yes please. I like cookies.

:cookie:

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