Is Phoenix Flames always a dps loss? I simmed it and it only coes out about 100 dps less. It seems having 3 spell casts that always crit and do decent damage would be a good thing.
Does anyone run with this talent? How do you like it?
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Sim only simulates raid boss fights. 5 minute fights, with all sorts of buffs, where you have all your cd’s at the start of each encounter.
That is very different from dungeons where you go from mixed mob to mixed mob etc… with minimal buffs, and you have to pace your cd usage, to a boss where again you may or may not have all your buffs/cds available. For example, you may use timewarp twice in an entire dungeon but in raids you use it on every boss.
Phoenix Flames is inferior to Fire blast in every raid fight and in very long fights. Fire blast is off the gcd and can be cast while casting other spells. Fireball takes time to reach target and can hit and crit after you have started your next Fireball. To convert that heating up to hot streak with PF, you have to cancel your fireball cast and then cast PF. You lose time and damage. With Fire blast you don’t need to cancel your fireball cast, you just hit your fire blast action button, it will land first and crit, and then your in progress fireball will go off. No time lost. No damage lost. Also the fire blast recharge rate scales with haste. The faster you are, the faster it recharges. PF recharge doesn’t scale with haste.
In my opinion, there is a scenario where PF is more useful than Fire on though: Mythic+ mob fights. You need to help put the mob down fast, and 2 Phoenix flames and a flame strike and maybe a meteor is a lot of aoe damage fast.
If you need fast damage, PF is your go to.
If it’s a long fight, flame on is your go to.
Phoenix Flames is great for PvP. It adds so much synergy to the weaving of crit strings.
Flame on is way better for pvp. Mostly due to master blaster trait that is so strong, having an extra charge of fire blast to trigger an extra stack of mastery during your burst is huge. Unless you’ve just gotten super unlucky and have no master blaster traits you will for sure want to run flame on.
Without that trait they’re basically even, just comes down to preference.
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Sorry my mage is only in his 60s. I don’t have half of the mage talents or spells yet.
There might be a situation with lots of long living adds where it will be good later on in the expac. However, every time I have taken it I have regretted it. I have found flame on better in general. It’s a cool spell though.
Flame on will beat pheonix flames in every single target situation. Past that it will lose to PF in m+ due to aoe burst ONLY if you dont have blaster master. Blaster master makes PF joke level bad compared to FO.
To clarify, in higher M+/sustained aoe, Flame On will out-perform Phoenix Flames without the blaster master qualifier. Both are relatively represented in M+.
To put it short, Flame On in both pure single target and sustained AoE out performs Phoenix Flames in all situations with the exception of priority AoE burst moments. Even in those AoE burst fights PF would barely be above FO on the average and FO would more than likely have a greater deviation for more potential damage.
I refuse to level to 120 because of how blizzard gutted our spec, PF needs to be baseline, end of story , end of game for me I guess.
hmmm i feel pheonix flames completes the rotation well in ovpm