Are they…actually listening to us?!
I’m actually surprised and excited for a change.
I can’t imagine a world where fire blast is better for spreading ignite over a separate spell like phoenix flames. Especially while fire blast is still attached to so much of our burst.
Blizzard creates the problem to solve the problem. Pathetic.
That’s why we can’t have good things. Can’t you just be happy…?
No, I can’t be happy with that. PF should never have left the baseline. Of course, I appreciate the return of PF, but I will never agree with Blizzard’s stance on removing everything that is good from a class, only to then come up again with the supposed “solution”, as if they were the great saviors.
My initial thoughts, great change! I agreed with preach stating that it was weird to use fire blast to build a large combust ignite, but then… also be forced to save one to actually spread it.
Also looks like it gives us much more fine tuned control over when we want ignite spread.
I mean, you aren’t wrong…and I agree.
But at the same time, at least they’re listening to us instead of ignoring it and just leaving PF as a useless talent that will never compete with Flame On.
i like this change a lot more than fireblast spread, but fire will need some more help to not feel bad post bfa
I am pumped to hear of this change. Might have to main the ole fire mage afterall 
Well. I agree about the removal of everything fun from every class. But hey, they be giving back stuff, which is already a good thing
Maybe someone can correct me, but will pheonix flames actually be saved for AOE or will we simply use it in addition to fire blast in combustion windows? Since it is a guaranteed crit with an instant cast time, I don’t see why we wouldn’t.
Would it not be better served if all it did was spread ignite and not actually do damage?
In legion, phoenix flames was pretty much just saved exclusively for your combustion windows as far as raiding was concerned.
Exactly, therefore does this actually provide a solution?
Yes, it IS slightly better as we are going to have more options.
However, does it truly rectify the situation of wanting to decouple our ignite spreader from our ignite generator?
I would think it would be best to make it not contribute to hot-streak.
TBH: it might; I dont have access to alpha to test.
I think you’ll be wanting it for hot streak, come shadowlands. Without memory of lucid dreams, fireblasts are going to be harder to come by as frequently.
Right? I cant believe blizzard made a mistake and then quickly corrected it. Don’t they know that mistakes are unacceptable?
Yes it does solve that problem. The problem with having fire blast spread the ignite was that you would use all your fire blasts up during combustion on your hot streaks. Then you would have no fire blasts left to spread the huge ignite you just generated. Now you can still use fire blast to build the huge ignites during combustion and use 1 Phoenix flame afterwards to spread that ignite. While still having more Phoenix flames to spread ignites outside of your combustions if that situation presents itself. the fact that it is a guaranteed crit is really of no consequence, you will still use fire blasts only to build the ignites and phoenix flames only to spread it
So, with this change. Does it mean that ignite will no longer autospread to nearby enemies every x seconds?
I hope that they make Phoenix Flames unaffected by the global cool down to make for smooth transitions in ignite spreads. Every tick counts!
Why though?
Fire blast only fills up the combustion window due to lucid dreams/mechagon bracers.
Since both of these are removed next expansion, players will be left with two options during the combustion window:
The instant cast nature of phoenix flames makes it far more desirable than scorch in getting out more pyroblasts during combustion for a bigger ignite.
You still run out of fire blasts during combustion even without those 2 peices of gear. I have neither on this character and I still use all my fire blasts during combustion…maybe with a purely single target raid boss you could do the fireblast+phoenix flames combo, but if there is any aoe at all coming up you’ll want to save at least 1 phoenix flame to spread the dot. And with the limited number of charges on fire blast, which you can already run out of even currently during combustion, u might get 1 more pyro out if fireblast comes off cooldown in time.
Phoenix flames still has a travel time as well. Depending on haste, it might still be better to just scorch.
Its honestly hard to say, but if you’re just wanting to use phoenix flames for hot streak procs it might not be worth in the combust widow over scorch.
If anything, it’ll be more useful outside of combust. Especially in movement fights.
Potentially make our sustained damage better and not just so reliant on our burst.
Scorch and PF are identical in terms of casts per second.