Phase 4 and pre-raid gearing

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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One of the things that i enjoy the most about world of warcraft is leveling an alt and gearing it full with pre-raid. It’s fun.

You know what is not fun? doing inferno runs. Sluggish, annoying, the same thing once again, not fun.

New phase, new blood. I guess…

What the heck are they going to do this phase?

A new Elemental rune difficulty, ¿Madness? that could be the same thing once again, a bit harder and a bit more annoying. yay.

The problem i see is that once you open the Group finder and select type you find: Heroic Dungeons, Inferno Dungeons, Zandalari Dungeons… and now it’s going to be HoT Dungeons AND the new H+. 5 options! No thank you!

Zandalari Dungeons will be dead… don’t you want to integrate it with inferno or heroic?

And the Hour of twilight problem.

When you introduce new content you kind of don’t want it to be obsolete on arrival, i guess… HoT loot is 378, there is loot for every single slot, not a limited selection.

JP gear is also 378, it’s limited to some slots so between those two it was a good catchup system, you could get to 372 ilvl pretty easily.

Now, this time around, we have 2 new gearing systems at hand. H+ and H++. 1 new badge (fissure stones) and a potential second one.

With Fissure stones badges we can buy 372 and 379 gear. Some items (trinkets) will be good and some 379 items will be interesting. Some off-parts are easty to get so they can be an option. it’s not 100% obsolete.

But the main question is… what are they going to do with the new H++?

If bosses drop 378/384 (Firelands) gear, and fissure stones (372/379) as an additional gear… it could be interesting… you can get your gear from HoT or H++… that could be an option.

But you want to give us 391 (Firelands HC) gear, don’t you? And over it you want to give us LFR gear (384/390).

But how?

A new badge that gives you 391 gear?

Last boss from each dungeon drops a Crystallized firestone that can upgrade normal 378 gear (from boss loot) to heroic 391 gear?a

And what about LFR loot? If you are not implementing it (delaying it) what are you going to do? For VP? It’s too much gear, You would have 15 pages of items.

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They are not going to give out 391 from whatever inferno is next. And if they did it would be a very hypocrit move. Considering they timegate the VP, they restrict the VP gains rather than buffing them at some point. At most you might get 378 and maybe heroic items from phase 1… hell even heroic phase 1 tier items I think.

They are in a perma cope state pretending that the game should have some sort of “progression” when that has already been figured out 15+ years ago.

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If I had to think of a likely duct tape solution they’ll come up with, it’ll be the new elemental rune currency per boss, and then a separate LFR currency for dungeon completion

Of course this will just create the issue of degenerate gameplay where groups force skips and routes straight to the final boss and shunning people who don’t know them or want “optional” bosses, because the LFR gear is objectively better than normal Firelands

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Let us first address the fact that Blizzard and the streamers have trolled you into believing that two five-man heroic dungeons constitute a phase. But that is a topic for anther post.

Now blizzard did say this

what could this statement mean for WoW cata classic LFR loot distrobustion? “We’re preparing alternative avenues for players to acquire those rewards, whether or not they participate in the other difficulties of the raid.”

This statement suggests that Blizzard is considering different methods for players to obtain LFR gear. Even if they don’t participate in the LFR mode itself. Here are a few potential implications for loot distribution:

  • Alternative Content: Blizzard might introduce new content or activities that allow players to earn LFR-equivalent rewards. This could include special quests, world events, or additional dungeons that provide LFR gear.
  • Currency System: Players might be able to earn a specific currency through various in-game activities such as Inferno 2.0’s, Raiding or other ideas, which can then be used to purchase LFR gear. This would provide flexibility in how players acquire the rewards.
  • Boss Drops: Inferno 2.0 bosses now drop LFR gear giving players multiple avenues to obtain the desired items without strictly relying on LFR.
  • Vendor Options: Blizzard could introduce vendors that sell LFR gear for a combination of currencies or tokens earned from different types of content, ensuring that players have multiple ways to gear up.

These are merely suggestions derived from my personal perspective on Blizzard’s previous actions. Blizzard may implement one of these options, a combination of them, or none at all. So take them as you will.

Now lets address the Inferno 2.0 loot vendor. Again this is my opinion and is not fact.

  • Normal Fireland Weapons:

  • Blizzard will likely release the normal Fireland weapons on the vendor.

  • Heroic Weapons:

  • Blizzard will probably not release the heroic weapons on the vendor.

  • Heroic Ragnaros loot is also unlikely to be available on the vendor.

  • Firestones:

  • Firestones dropping off the last boss in Inferno 2.0 is unlikely.

  • Most players only need one or two firestones to upgrade certain pieces.

  • Firestones will likely be available on the vendor for 15-30 of the new currency.

  • Players will still need the base item and firestone to upgrade the item to heroic quality.

  • Vendor Availability:

  • Normal Firelands weapons (No Heroic weapons just like they did with T11 raid gear)

  • Loot off the first 6 Heroic raid bosses (No rag loot)

  • Bags for those specific items that have random stat rolls.

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They gave us Sinestra loot they will give us Rag loot besides the heroic weapons most likely

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Well… this is an oxymoron. The literal way pre-raid gearing works, and has worked the entire history of WoW is running heroics… Suppose that was replaced by running mythics… and now seemingly delves.

Well, ignoring any new rune dungeon… the path to Pre-BiS gear would be heroics… like it was in OG Cataclysm. Specifically the end-time heroics.

They would be if patterns are to be followed. Trial of the Champion wasn’t just left behind it was brought up.

Pretty much this. They plan to give you LFR loot in a different way from LFR itself. There are two ways this could be implemented. The new H++ dungeons currency gear will be the LFR gear instead of H FL and N Weapon gear.

The alternative is that H++ will give the H FL and N Weapon gear making it the new Pre-BiS. While FL itself drops a new currency that would give the LFR so that people continue to run FL for legendary staves.

You do know the already give out 372/379 heroic items from the current H+ dungeon outside of weapons and tier specifically. Following that… it would make sense for them to give 391 heroic items outside of weapon and tier.

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If it’s like this phase: you’ll be able to get normal mode FL tier, heroic trinkets, and possibly some non weapon heroic ragnaros items.

Now, with what they’ve said about LFR, I’d also expect DS LFR gear to be available in a similar way.

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Back in actual cataclysm if you came and during patch 4.2 firelands you would just run regular heroics to get the 359 gear from the Justice vendor as well as the three-piece tier and you’d run the troll dungeons to get the 353 pieces that you couldn’t get from the Justice point vender and you’d be good to go into firelands.

Dragon soul came out the new five bands came out and you’d gear with just this point for the fire lands gear you’d get your three piece and you get the hour of Twilight pieces and you’d be ready to go into dragon soul.

I don’t know why they introduced the special dungeons but it’s a very dumb idea gearing was already fine.

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Yeah, HoT gear is more than enough for DS. Knowing how the player base is now though, they will probably require full heroic FL gear to do normal DS. This is why LFR is so important going forward. It gives people another avenue for gearing as well as a chance to see the fight mechanics.

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Special dungeons were introduced to reward returning players and express gratitude for their return to the game. It is a retail ideology implemented by the participation trophy generation. These players believe they need heroic gear from the previous raid to clear normal content.

rebuttle this argument “they will probably require full heroic FL gear to do normal DS. This is why LFR is so important going forward.”

It is important to consider that the requirement for full heroic Firelands gear to participate in normal Dragon Soul is due to the H+/Inferno dungeon catch-up. If this was not added to the game, then this would not be the normal behavior. Heroic gear is not necessary to clear normal; it helps but it is not needed. Additionally, LFR gear is of a lower item level than heroic Firelands gear.

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If LFR came out what would be the point of inferno dungeons? The gear would most likely be under the LFR 384 loot.

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because LFR being a raid with 24 other people you can only do once a week, unless you are really lucky you wouldn’t get a whole lot of gear from it. whereas the H++ and HoT dungeons could be run on repeat as many times as you wanted and would be able to buy heroic FL gear (391/397 gear with 378/384 weapons)

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LFR = 384
Heroic Firelands 391 and 397

LFR gear item level is actually lower then Heroic Firelands item level. Honestly most people only ran LFR for weapons off Madness, Tier and trinkets. All the other gear was obsolete. But since blizzard is going to add LFR in another way LFR is not going to be added.

Knowing Blizzard, they will likely go one of these ways or a combination or even Mix and match them. We don’t know what is going to happen. ( Don’t think they even know what they are going to do)

  1. Add Heroic Firelands gear to Heroic + dungeon With currency to but LFR gear and rag loot/Firestones
  2. Add LFR gear to Heroic + dungeons and have a currency to add buy Heroic Firelands gear.
  3. Leave heroic + alone and have the bosses drop 2 currencies and release 2 new Vendors 1 Vendor for Heroic Firelands gear and the other for LFR gear.
  4. Blizz could also add Tier to the Valor vendor Like we have been doing all Expac

There are likely other possible solutions that I have not listed. These ideas would make obtaining LFR gear even easier and faster than running LFR.