Phase 2 is not normal PvP

[Betaheal-yojamba]

I agree with this 100%. Well written. Anyone who disagrees with this, is arrogant and narrow minded.

[Shockadin-whitemane]

Dude bump this post. Screw world of dungeons

[Alsoria-earthfury]

LOL Love the ignorance about Spy. It hasn’t made it harder to stay stealthed. It made people who play druids and especially rogues learn some patience. Spy doesn’t announce someone whom was already stealthed when entering your range. Only those out of stealth in your range that use the ability get announced. Been ganked by enough smart rogues with my Spy running to know this fact. Blaming Spy for anything is laughable.

[Alsoria-earthfury]

Did people cry this much back in the day? I’m genuinely curious lol.

Im sure they did. Even back then this phase of WoW only lasted 2 months as they scrambled to get battlegrounds in.

I’m glad you are enjoying it. The experience has not been positive on my server for the alliance. Im hoping the phase is much shorter than 2 months this time.

Have proof they cried? Nope.

[Attitude-nagrand]

Theoretically a Hunter could use catseye ultra goggles, catseye elixir, Detect stealth and have a macro that targets any rogue on their spy and have a wind serpent set to auto dash and auto lightning breath making it impossible to get within a 30yard range of any hunter.
So yea it has you just wan’t someone to have a go at.

Signed a hunter, Who uses spy, Has engineering and a wind serpent.

[Logara-sargeras]

Good post @OP and you addressed most of the issues that people usually use to dismiss forum posts so it’s clear who did and didn’t read. And yes this is technically PvP but we were also PvPing from the game’s launch and it was never like this. At the end of the day there is a mentality of superiority that people seem to want to express and they don’t care about the health of the game’s community while they do so.

[Alsoria-earthfury]

Now if you want to say after 30 days of this it isn’t normal I’d agree. PvP had this state without DHKs and then with DHKs for a few weeks if I remember properly. Therefore, depending on its duration your could be right.

[Ristra-sulfuras]

OP - thank you so much for breaking this down the way you did. I appreciate this post.

It does, by cranking the dial to its most extreme.

I had the analogy in my mind yesterday of a sauna. Bunch of people in it enjoying the temp. Something changes and it goes up by 50 degrees and can’t go back down. A portion of the people get up and say, “This is uncomfortable - I’d like to leave and go to another sauna.” But the door is locked. And the rest of the people inside say, “You’re in a sauna, what did you expect? You should have anticipated it would be this hot and uncomfortable. I’m enjoying this so much more knowing how much you aren’t. If you were someone else, you wouldn’t be in this sauna and it wouldn’t be a problem. Be someone else. Or die.”

Blizzard - kindly unlock the door.

Except, You are in a “High temp” sauna when there are “comfortable temp” sauna’s designed for people that do not want high temps.

The high temp sauna is the place people go for that, the only place they can get it.

[Excalidor-arugal]

One of the more sensible posts I’ve come across. Thanks for the read OP!

I encourage you all to read it too.

[Logara-sargeras]

Which is why the option of leaving was specifically addressed and the door was locked. In this metaphor the option to leave has been removed. Or are you saying because someone enters a high temp sauna they should be locked in regardless of their health or personal comfort?

[Shockadin-whitemane]

I mean if you are being killed at the regeant vendor then take a boat to theramore get killed several times then fly to Tanaris and try to do 2 quest and it takes you two hours theres a problem. Thats not a healthy game. Now this happening for several days …lets be real. Dont try and do world bosses either 200 horde on whitemane killing eachother at 3 am still smh.

[Ristra-sulfuras]

Which is why the option of leaving was specifically addressed and the door was locked. In this metaphor the option to leave has been removed. Or are you saying because someone enters a high temp sauna they should be locked in regardless of their health or personal comfort?

Nope, you have the options to enter any comfortable temp sauna at any time.

Nothing stopping you.

[Ristra-sulfuras]

I mean if you are being killed at the regeant vendor then take a boat to theramore get killed several times then fly to Tanaris and try to do 2 quest and it takes you two hours theres a problem. Thats not a healthy game. Now this happening for several days …lets be real. Dont try and do world bosses either 200 horde on whitemane killing eachother at 3 am still smh.

It’s not healthy for people that do not want wPvP. Some people came here JUST for that style play.

Which is only highlighted during this period of vanilla’s life cycle.

[Logara-sargeras]

Which is why the option of leaving was specifically addressed and the door was locked. In this metaphor the option to leave has been removed. Or are you saying because someone enters a high temp sauna they should be locked in regardless of their health or personal comfort?

Nope, you have the options to enter any comfortable temp sauna at any time.

Nothing stopping you.

Exactly. Did you actually read the post you quoted?

[Flocket-mankrik]

PvP was happening on the servers prior to phase 2 without complaint. Phase 2 brought about an extreme increase in the frequency of PvP, which some people quite enjoy, and others find quite frustrating.

Well, you should expect each Phase will bring along an abundance of tourists specifically playing just the Phase. Being on a PvP Server gives you zero opportunity to keep other players from ganking/attacking you. Why anyone wants to play like that is beyond me.

Due to how the system runs, the mass ganking by roaming raids doesn’t stop, and there isn’t anywhere to hide from them, as they exist in every zone that players 50+ exist in. If you want to focus on leveling, professions, etc., you need to hope that you can do it in instanced content, and will probably die a half dozen times on your way to it.

The beauty of playing on a PvE Server, is they can’t touch you, unless you turn on (a toggle) your character to be involved in a “PvP” rule set. If you desire to be ganked, PvE Servers provide this beautiful Toggle feature. Want to be left alone and work on leveling and your professions? Great! Toggle it off nor don’t turn it on, it’s really that simple.

It overly highlights faction imbalances, which is something that players also had no control of, and Blizzard actively hid from us by breaking census mods that gave us an idea of how bad things were. My server appeared close to 50:50 when those were working, but now that layering is gone and PvP is turned on, it is clear that alliance are hopelessly outnumbered. Players couldn’t predict this during their leveling process on many servers because of Blizzard’s actions against WoW Census and layering making the problem less visible.

PvE Servers have an imbalance problem, too. You may not be able to Group (this includes Guilds, Parties, Raids, etc.). Even then, PvE Servers don’t suffer too much from the imbalance issues as much as Gankfest Servers.

The spy classic addon, as a smaller issue, has made it even harder to stay hidden. I frequently have priests in a raid using it to mind vision me to find my exact location when they did not even have a line of sight on me. I get that players could read the combat log to do this with the /target command, which is why I don’t find this to be a major problem, but it does make the process much easier for them, and increases how often the roaming raid finds you.

Personally, I never really cared about Spy. Whether it remains in the Game or not is irrelevant, to me. However, I will say it seems to be the PvP version of DBM.

There are also many reasons that players end up on PvP realms, such as wanting to play with their friends. These players generally had no idea of how extreme phase 2 would be, and many did not sign up for that when they chose it.

Terrible friends to put their friends through hell that is the Gankfest ruleset. If they’re truly your friends, they would reroll with you to PvE. Even without Friends, Game is still soloable (not on a Gankfest Server, though).

Players shouldn’t feel pressured to reroll and erase days of played time because Blizzard decided to release a temporary and extreme world pvp environment. Without pvp->pve transfers available, people are far more likely to unsubscribe than to start over from scratch. The longer this phase lasts, the more damaging it will be to WoW’s subscriber numbers and on faction balance on PvP servers. Players are not going to stick around as perpetual punching bags.

Wouldn’t feel so “wasteful”, had you rolled PvE, in the first place.

Unsubscribing is really the best option that many players have.

But see, aren’t you “erasing” days of played time, this way, too?

phase 2 is not normal PvP server behavior

Gankfest Servers never were “normal” PvP behavior.

Small scale PvP out in the world is sll in good fun.

Which you can still get on a PvE Server.

Being hunted down by a raid and camped for having the audacity to try to do anything not instanced on a server you are outnumbered on? Not fun at all.

Agreed, that’s why I rolled on a PvE Server, so if I get tired of it, I can toggle out of it. It’s easy

[Vlonk-tichondrius]

They still existed from time to time, but they were NOWHERE near as prevalent as they are now.

It’s almost as if there’s this pent up energy for this kind f thing. Pent up over years and years of waiting for this game to be re-released. Combined with ages of folklore, forum stories, chat room discussions, etc.

Rather than organically happening with a mostly ignorant game population slowly figuring it out over time through weak communication methods, today we have 100% foreknowledge with well established communities.

Golly, it’s almost as if the players are not just planning this, they’ve been waiting for it not since launch, but even years before that.

and it’s also almost as if people realized how dumb and boring that kind of PvP is.

on thursday, hillsbrad was a huge mess with hundred of people on both side.

during the weekend you didn’t even have a 40-man on each side (earthfury) ; people figured out it was not only awfully boring, but gave no honor.

Now, the new meta is to run in small squad hunting slightly smaller squad for maximal honor gain… which is atleast more interesting and give melee ( who don’t have 3 pocket healer watching them) a chance to do something… but the moment phase 3 come out with BG, world PVP will die again.

[Utopia-whitemane]

Phase 2 is vacation from WoW time. I have no problem logging after I get ganked.

Not only that, roaming around as a raid in Winterspring where there’s like 2 horde is not efficient, it’s just clowning around.
I’m definitely not gonna subject myself to that for some herbs lol.

[Tookewlforyu-netherwind]

Went from level 20 to 28 over the weekend. All night Friday, And day and night Saturday, and the majority of Sunday…Didn’t matter where I went, there were people ganking me. Kind of annoying to be AoE Grinding a pack of 6 enemies, only to get ganked when i’m at 20% health…By a level 34.

But at least i’m now in the level range where I can basically sit in a dungeon for the next 20 levels or so to grind XP. I suffered through it, it was super annoying, but it is what it is. Just had to roll with the punches long enough to get past the point of needing to be vulnerable out in the open.

[Bhráma-earthfury]

And it’s all true.

[Smeet-sulfuras]

But see, aren’t you “erasing” days of played time, this way, too?

Not unless this phase is long enough to allow for a full reroll to max level, epic mount grind, and gathering most of my dungeon best in slot will “reroll on a PvE server” make a bit of sense.

Wouldn’t feel so “wasteful”, had you rolled PvE, in the first place.

I enjoy light world PvP that players can’t opt out of.

I don’t mind getting ganked by horde, even groups of them.

I do mind the game encouraging them to destroy the ability to do anything out in the world for their pvp sets by not having the more efficient honor grind in yet (BGs).

I like PvP servers in every other phase of the game than THIS one.

Phase 2 is an abnormality. It was never meant to be how PvP servers worked for extended periods of time.

There should be a setting between “no pvp save those that opt in” (PvE servers) and “good luck doing anything but dungeons” (phase 2 PvP servers).

Every other phase of the game IS that middle ground on PvP servers.

It isn’t the players’ fault that blizzard decided to ruin things for them for a few weeks by deciding to delay battlegrounds. Many of us never dealt with this tiny part of WoW’s lifespan. Phase 2 was always something I just wanted to pass quickly, since the game stops promoting griefing as the best way to gear up once BGs launch, and world PvP returns to normal levels.