From the patch notes and videos showcasing outlaw rogue, it is sad we are STILL keeping roll the bones. It is awful even more now from the changes that are being implemented. Sure it is a dumbed down version of the spell with midnight according to the new changes but it didn’t feel great to press it even on live servers or in previous expansions. This spell has been such a pain to keep up with, it’s RNG and it is not fun. With the removal of Weak Auras, how are we going to track such a nuisance of a spell? Please just remove the spell, get rid of it and throw it away.
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So you either haven’t been reading the patch notes or you dont understand the changes.
I still would have way bloody preferred if they just removed the damn thing
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Just my personal bias.
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I never liked combat becoming outlaw
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I especially hate the forced pirate theme on the class
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I also fundamentally hate pure RNG variance especially when it comes to buffs so I have always hated RTB
The fact that it has undergone so many iterations and keeps having to be further tweaked seeing how they are further reducing variance in midnight just shows that its fundamental design is flawed.
Two things I would be glad for them to remove are:
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RTB for Outlaw
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Symbols for Sub
Completely unrelated and I know it’s just a pipe dream but I would love it if Rogue’s had a tank spec
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It seems that Symbols and RTB exist as checklist for Rogues to accomplish since both replaced SND in terms of importance for upkeep.
Personally I don’t mind the RTB version in Midnight because stage 1 ensure your DPS rotational flow doesn’t tank all of a sudden (Opportunity procs). Energy you can manage and control to an extent via Blade Rush and/or Thistle Tea so there is play and counter play to energy lows.
Fundamentally though the primary problem with RTB has never been with “single” buffs although that has been a secondary issue with weak single buffs that you are stuck with or forced to constantly re-roll which is why count of the odds came into existence along with loaded dice and keep it rollling. The fact you need three of these talents to avoid that pitfall shows the flaws in the first place.
But to come back to the primary problem with RTB is how will they balance when you have a “jackpot” and full stacks of BTE buffs?
This video talks about this potential problem from an experienced Rogue with how Outlaw will balanced and tuned in Midnight.
your getting the best buff all the time now
the second best buff 50% of the time now
how is it awful? its less rng oriented than its ever been
its the least rng part of outlaw.
you dont need to track it because you get the BEST BUFF ALWAYS
oh well
luckily its more of a highwayman/outlaw than a pirate, your just stuck in the past because “guns”
rtb is the least rng aspect of the spec, you have more rng on ss, opp, crackshot, and crit chance
play sod
every spec in the game have multiple talents to make something work, ret has 3 talents involving blade of justice and art of war
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oh well
This sums up your cognitive ability. Firstly I prefaced my post as being my personal bias. Though you are spewing verbal diarrhea so I will gladly put you in your place pink boy
luckily its more of a highwayman/outlaw than a pirate, your just stuck in the past because “guns”
Its all subjective: pirate, outlaw, highwayman its irrelevant to my personal PoV that it was a dismembermant of what combat used to be. If you like what they have done more power to you. I never advocated they change what they have done I simply stated I personally don’t care for it 
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rtb is the least rng aspect of the spec, you have more rng on ss, opp, crackshot, and crit chance
Ok and??? RTB in all iterations INCLUDING alpha is and always has been an RNG buff. Something being more or less RNG doesnt negate that basic fact. I mean surely you have basic common sense ?
Just to break it down I never stated RTB was the most RNG aspect. I also specifically stated I don’t care for RNG mostly when its for buffs (which most the outlaw player base don’t care for RTB ). Even reflected by the fact the devs have to keep iterating on this one ability. RTB as a button to press in the rotation is just bland and boring (again my personal view)
There are forms of RNG that are fun and engaging:
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Shadowcraft storing additional combo points and creating variance in how you spend combo points is a fantastic design with intrinsic RNG
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Arms warrior having intrinsic RNG with CD resets on MS etc again is another great example of dynamic, engaging and inpactful RNG for the core rotation
play sod
I did …its dead now …. More importantly what does that have to do with me wanting an additional tank spec for rogue on retail?? Which I stated as a wishful pipe dream. Not sure why you are so triggered and pressed on what I wrote.
I actually love when people present opposing viewpoints with rationality, but your entire post was baseless, substanceless void of a single logical thought.
Do better pink boy 
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calling my stuff “word vomit” while you have keyboard diarrhea is peak comedy
Like your basically telling me nothing but your personal bias and trying to force it on everyone
I’m sorry but combat was boring and 3 buttons, the fact yall are still here instead of playing classic which has combat. Speaks volumes about how forgettable and boring it is. Yall just don’t want to admit you were wrong
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Also funny how you label this as “enjoyable rng” when it’s the most hated thing among arms players
But what can I expect from people who don’t engage with the game beyond world content
I think I hit a nerve little pink boy. I never tried to force anything I simply stated my subjective viewpoint.
But your micro P syndrome kicked into overdrive and fried your 1 functional brain cell.
I even rationally explained how everything you wrote was nonsensical but it flew over your head … stay strong short king👑
Your rant about warrior is also objectively false. The cd reset mechanic is what gives the Arms rotation fluidity. The biggest gripe Arms warrior historically has is when it becomes too slow and drops from being at or near GCD cap. I have way more experience on warrior than you do so not even going to justify.
You honestly made my night though living in your head rent free.
#dobetterpinkboy
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Okay bro
Stay small in your world content
Your highest account achievement is 1550 in 2s for your entire account. You have never even completed progression cutting edge mythic content. You still stuck on the character select lol
#dobetterpinkboy
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I can agree with you on the tank spec for a rogue in which imo outlaw would be perfect for it to bring back the old feeling as the old emergency tanks of the game at one point. Instead they had to make 3 different classes over time to gut the rogue class.
my dude is talking about meme pvp while having 0 pve experience in any level of pve
Nah, they should actually double down on the pirate fantasy, way better than to just be a generic spec. Props to the team that changed combat to outlaw
RTB not only has multiple talents to make it work but also has been changed every expansion since it has existed.
Smoke Bomb is still Smoke Bomb.
Distract is still Distract.
Mutilate it still Mutilate.
Adrenaline Rush is still Adrenaline Rush.
You are drifting with your arguments which is only causing you to make mistakes with your argumentation. And it shows that you can no longer bring an argument about the Rogue class because you do not play it enough to understand the Rogue class IMVHO.
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Do you always get a 2 roll now?
because if you don’t always get a 2 roll, you aint gettin the best buff every time
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On Midnight alpha it seems you are still going to be fishing for 2 buff so I am not sure how that is an improvement over live overall.
The only true improvement is that stage 1 RTB will not tank your DPS now. But the problem is when you hit jack pot aka all four buffs will BlizZard cap Outlaw’s potential around that four buff roll like it is on live with full buffs?
That is a fair question to ask plus there is more.
On Midnight alpha you have to keep track of BTE stack buffs along with hidden bullets, Trickster/FB coin flips. Is introducing the need to fish for two buffs really necessary for Outlaw?
Just my personal thoughts on this matter. I posted that video above to show that Outlaw will still be complex even if RTB did not exist.
Except unlike you I raided in top 20 progression cutting edge NA guilds top 100 world guilds (Vanila-Cata and then in Legion) while causally PvPing at the same time. You are a glorified LFR raider that focuses on PvE and executes at a low level
I feel a bit bad though for you as your undeveloped brain can’t even recognize that with each passing post you just make yourself look more foolish further eroding your credibility. I have just been passively messing with you for amusement in response to your initiated posts. You transitioned from clueless to idiotic when you even brought up “in game chieves” as your final cope. The kicker being you have never played PvE or PvP at a high level yourself… make it make sense 
#dobetterpinkboy
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Let’s not and say we did. All of you people crying are ruining the skullcap of the class.