Give us the option for personal loot, at the very least in LFR. This new system is ridiculous. I get it that we’re trying something new, and that’s great, but this is a swing and a miss - which is fine, but let’s go back to personal loot, at the least in LFR.
If you slightly outgear a raid, you cannot get transmog, unless I am mistaken. The way the system is now, you can full clear LFR on multiple toons and have nothing to show for it. Go back to personal loot, at the very least in LFR, please.
It’s not too bad - you can get LFR full set fairly quickly. I have it done and I only returned a month ago (about to get heroic done too).
Furthermore with the futureproofing done, say by chance you get horrid RNG you can convert the pieces you have remaining by the items you get for time rift NPC.
There wasn’t much left they could do to make LFR less appealing, so they brought out the big guns to shoot mog hunters in the legs.
Yeah I’ve been aware of the excellent Time Rift gearing method, that’s a good call! This thread is about the loot system in LFR though, and as it stands currently, if you outgear the raid, you cannot get any loot other than neck and ring drops, which obviously have no use for tmog collectors. It feels bad to full clear LFR and receive exactly zero loot.
Sounds like since you recently returned, you aren’t over-geared for the raids you’re running, so you might not be seeing the issue as I described it.
I am!
I was overgeared rather quickly.
Actually you won’t even get neck ring drops because those are shared loot between classes so someone low level will get them.
If you don’t mind me asking how long have you been doing full LFR?
If I get more details I can help cater an idea to help you achieve your quest.
I honestly wish people would understand how GL works and how it’s not much different from PL.
Differences being now you can trade whatever or pass on it, regardless of it being a higher ilevel and you don’t have 8 billion whispers harassing you for the gear you were given, because “you don’t deserve it.”
Whether the rolls are behind the scenes or not, people are still going to complain. This system stops group stacking as much, stop the continued harassment whispers and allows people to pass or trade gear they don’t want.
It’s fine, learn how it works and use every alternative way to gear, as well. There’s at least three.
Oh ok! So you understand the issue, that the Group Loot system doesn’t let over-geared players Need Roll.
However long I’ve personally been full clearing LFR doesn’t have any relevance to the Group Loot system, but to answer your question, I’ve been on-and-off since 10.0 Season 1 launched. I appreciate your willingness to help though! My issue isn’t a quest that I can achieve myself so much, as it is a game design system that I’m saying is less fun/rewarding than it’s been previously.
I’d give it a go - maybe you’ll find you actually get more gear.
At the moment you just have a perception but as someone who was shooting for LFR sets in SL and still goes for them now as a separate hobby to mythic it is actually easier!
Cause bear in mind - as more LFR people get gear the more loot there is to roll for that they won’t roll for even if you are higher gear. The guy in full LFR isn’t going to be able to roll for that tier piece again.
Lfr loot system is pretty trash. I haven’t gotten a single piece of gear this entire xpac. SL, I got at least one piece per raid.
At this point, I only run lfr for the 2 DR mounts.
My 2 week old rogue is 410+ just from doing world content. It feels utterly pointless to run lfr for gear (even if bis trinkets can drop).
In the PL system, you would get raid loot at around 1/4 bosses, or around 25%, would you not?
In the GL system currently, since you cannot Need Roll if you out-gear the raid, your loot percentage is significantly less than 25%, is it not?
I would argue I do understand how GL/PL loot work, and I stand by my statement. If you out-gear raid content, are you not able to personally notice that you receive less loot with the GL system than the PL system? It seems so obvious.
My understanding of alternate gearing methods is irrelevant to the topic of PL/GL in LFR, but I am familiar, yeah!
It would be somewhat relevant if the end goal is LFR transmog no?
Somewhat relevant, yes, but transmog is only part of the point. The full point being that receiving loot in general is meaningfully lessened in the GL system vs. PL.
I’d challenge that and say it’s more relevant because you can now pass on loot that you already have.
I had the same perception as you initially about it.
How so?
Is this thread based on misconception? I’ve rolled need even on a 435 character before.
Hence I was asking if you actually did it.
They should just get rid of it and make it a 1-5 player experience supported by bots.
At the very least then I could chase the transmog for it.
I full cleared LFR on 2 toons this morning, I pressed Need on every single roll that was possible. I received 1 ring. So that puts my loot percentage at 1/16, or roughly 6%. I would say this is typical for most weeks that I do LFR, about a 6% loot average.
In previous xpacs, when we had PL loot, would we not receive loot closer to 25% regardless of gear level?
And again, this topic is about a game design system, not any one person’s personal tmog collection.
A simpler solution would be to just unlock the lfr tier if you have normal or higher.
Or all bosses just drop a token and add a vendor per wing so you can buy the loot you want.
Blizz just keeps overcomplicating the system instead of making it easier and more streamlined.
Honestly doing both would make more sense than having to pick one.
I spent a lot of time in SL getting specific mog pieces from lfr, since that’s the color I was after.
That would also solve the mount problem. X amount of tokens/currency, you can just buy the mount outright.
I’d be totally happy with either of these solutions!
Someone might not be remembering correctly. Personal Loot in LFR was effectively the same as every player rolling need on everything, regardless of equipped ilvl.
Nope and I’ve done 6 weeks of the last raid + 3 + 3 of the other SL raids just on this character alone from Shadowlands.
Some consideration you’d want to also keep in mind is the loot actually relevant to you in any way be it transmog or otherwise. You getting the same belt you got last week is not giving you any benefit but could help someone else.
I did a ton of SL LFR and loot would drop but it would be useless to me far more than it would be an upgrade/tmog because it would be the same darned piece more than likely. The amount is irrelevant if it isn’t doing anything for you.