Considering how many forum supporters of ML are still saying that the loot you get from PL is NOT yours but it belongs to the guild, it would be reasonable to assume that this could be a problem.
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Basically this. In another thread I said it would be cool if we had the current PL system, but with the ability to make and receive a single trade each week regardless of ilvl. That way I can trade a guildie a massive upgrade that I don’t want, but he can’t be gear funneled because he can only receive one special item per week.
Sounds good on paper at least, and it would solve a lot of those “I don’t want this but he does” situations.
They could remove trade restrictions and also make what loot drops not show up for anyone but the recipient. That way he can offer to trade something that he doesnt need but no one will know to bully him into giving it away. It would also eliminate those addons that auto whisper you wanting your loot.
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you tell them no and find a better guild that wont dictate what to do with your loot?
i always find this argument rather stupid, if you join a guild and dont understand how they handle loot drops, thats either bad on your part or bad of the guild for not informing new members.
the guilds that try to use people to gear their friends/GF/wives/mistress never last long anyway, because people leave to find a guild who isn’t using them like that leaving the guild to have a huge turn over of raiders.
if a guild is constantly recruiting new member and constantly having people leave they’re not going to be making much progress. and its a clear sign of poor raid management.
if your really trying to push higher raid content, and your not looking into the guilds your joining then that’s on you.
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#1 - Method and Limit cleared Heroic Uldir 6 times the first week. Not sure how much worse it can get.
#2 - As someone else said, just remove trade restrictions for guild groups. But also make the system smarter. If I have a 385 staff I don’t need a 370 mace, but the game sees it as an upgrade if you don’t have a 370+ 1 hander. That needs to be changed also
So, this is on the edge of;
5 accounts ( bots ), giving the main account all the best upgrades. At the same time bis of all the bots.
Thus the reason for removing the ML.
Their main goal was to slow down gearing up, nothing more.
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What is supposed to be wrong with asking for master looter to come back? PL is hot garbage.
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Hey if you can clear Mythic raids with bot accounts then more power to ya. I think you deserve some loot for doing that.
Because if everything was tradable, you would basically have Master Looting back which they clearly do not want. I agree that there needs to be more flexibility in when an item can be traded but to allow everything to be open to trade defeats the intent of why they remove Master Loot in the first place.
If keep everything until they make it gold for gear tradable for drops.
But there was no valid reason for them to remove ML at all. It didn’t stop split runs, and tyrannical guild loot councils rarely existed no matter how many stories people make up. It doesn’t make sense that a guild can fill 15-25 people, only give loot to 3-5 people and last more than 2 weeks. Sorry but I don’t buy it.
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If most the gear can not be traded due to ilvl restrictions, it does seriously reduce the benefit of split runs. Which was all about using alts to funnel gear to a handful full of characters. Sure you might be able to trade stuff once everyone is decked out in the best the raid has to offer but honestly, who is going to run split runs for that long?
Look, I agree that for the most part ML wasn’t an issue. I raided back in vanilla thru Wraith in a guild that used it and it worked fine for us. I would have rather they hadn’t remove it but they did. Accepting that I also know that they are never going to implement a back door Master Loot system either.
It is time people accept that Master Looting is a thing of the past and look at ways to improve the system we do have.
Huh thats weird the rest of your post seems to be exactly like the other PL whine threads.
I am with you and don’t care if ML comes back or not. But as the OP said, removing trade restrictions for guild groups would be a vast improvement. You could say it’s no different than ML but it actually is. If a trial gets a piece of loot that is a 5% upgrade for him and a 40% upgrade for another guild member, he has the option to give the loot up to help his raid team, or keep it and potentially get kicked. With ML you don’t get option 2.
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ESO runs a system where anything that drops can be traded to anyone who was in the instance at the time of that drop for 2hrs after the item is looted. I’ve run a lot of vet trials with a lot of groups and I have literally never seen anyone hold anyone else’s loot hostage or demand they trade anything they did not want to trade. You’re not even given a way to see what other people pick up unless they choose to link it in chat as an unwanted item.
It really doesn’t need to be restrictive to be player-friendly.
This is actually the same system they have in Diablo 3. Just implement that and we would be good
It is possible for everyone to get loot off one boss, bonus roll triggers X/Y times needed to get it. Technically while very very very unlikely, it can happen. A roulette wheel can land on Black consecutively 26 times in a row. (Happened in 1913, you can do a quick google search.)
Please don’t conflate the two different systems.
We are talking about PL.
Not PL + Bonus Rolls.
Bonus Rolls are not the same thing. By evidence that Bonus rolled loot can never be traded. Period. (Heck, they are more “Personal” than Personal Loot. You get to chose when you roll/don’t roll. And the loot never leaves your bags. ) At that point, we are clearly not talking about the same system. Each has different rules. PL =/= Bonus Rolls.
Though… if you want to treat Bonus Rolls as a part of PL in the discussion, readdressing the thread topic.
No one could ever take your Bonus Rolled loot away from you, even using ML. You rolled it. It’s yours. No one else can have it.
Even under ML, raid leaders and guilds wouldn’t be demanding you to trade your Bonus Roll loot away or else.
Though, that obviously isn’t comparable to receiving loot directly from a boss kill.
Yes, which is fine, guilds abusing Master Loot was already a very uncommon situation, this sounds like a good middle ground, you can still benefit from the free trade that ML provided but now if a player feels that it’s been abused he can choose to not participate and keep his loot.
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