Point’em out. I want guild names
so you dont think trials deserve loot, even though they progressed through the raid just the same?
Do you think it’s possible to perform when severely undergeared in either DPS and HPS? Also is it possible to survive HP nuking mechanics within an entire boss encounter when part of your team is geared and the other isn’t?
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Most trials last 2-4 weeks. Trials don’t “progress” through the raid… Raid progression typically lasts longer than 2-4 weeks unless you’re Method or Pieces… Those trials become raiders.
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Trials get loot… Plenty of it. Most trials are brought to farm bosses to actually trial them. Farm bosses usually drop loot that most of the team has. Anything no one needs goes straight to the trial. Now if a BiS trinket finally drops, then ya… it’s going to the main raider who’s been re-clearing that boss every week for months waiting for it over the trial. But anyone with a brain can see that that’s only logical. I’d say that’s one of the biggest red flags a trial can throw… is showing that they care about loot over their fellow players during the trial period…
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No guilds were doing this. The entire raid team would riot if that ever happened because it makes absolutely zero sense to destroy/shard usable gear that one of your teammates can use.
as i stated “progressed through the raid just the same” , no matter if that’s 3 bosses cleared or the whole raid… or a trial at the lower difficulty, which most trials are performed (i.e. a guild progressing at mythic will trial new members in heroic), if you think they don’t deserve a fair shot of loot, just because they are a trial, even though they put in the effort the same as anyone else, then for sure, master looter needs to go, as by the sounds of it… guilds do this scumbag practice.
luckily the guilds i have been in share loot drops with trials, they have as fair of a shot as even a long time raid member in the same role. but i’m guessing other guilds aren’t as nice and just trial them and give em the shaft with loot drops.
You are completely misunderstanding how trialing and progression guilds work if you think this actually happens or that trials never get gear.
Here’s a very simple analogy:
Lets say you have two friends. One has been your best friend since childhood and one seems cool but you just met them last week so you don’t know them that well yet.
Lets say childhood friend needs to borrow $50. They’ve borrowed from you in the past and they always paid it back so you feel comfortable with that.
Lets say new friend needs to borrow $50. You’ve never loaned them anything before and you don’t know if they’ll pay it back and since you JUST met this person it’s entirely possible they’ll take your money and vanish.
Who would you feel more comfortable loaning money to if you had to choose between those two options?
It’s EXACTLY like that with trials. When you’re new to the guild, they don’t know you, they don’t know if they can trust you, and they’re worried they’re going to gear you up and you’re going to disappear because that happens to them ALL THE TIME.
Of course people in those situations are going to reward the people they know and trust before strangers. That’s not weird or shady or corrupt or evil or anything. It’s smart.
This might actually be THE most insane thing I’ve ever read on the forums. You’re basically admitting that your own personal experience doesn’t jive with the ML horror stories and that it’s been much more like the trial situation described by literally EVERY progression raider in these threads … and yet you STILL are clinging to the “evil guilds” thing?
I can excuse you for making conclusions based off of inexperience or ignorance with those guilds because that happens but you literally are saying you’ve been a member of those guilds and never seen it happen and somehow still are making the OPPOSITE conclusion from what your own experience has shown you.
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Except they do have a shot at loot. And loot isn’t the point of the trial. It’s players like you who are so short-sighted to hyper-focus on loot during the trial that routinely fail trials. You also misunderstand what a “farm” boss is and what a “progression” boss is. At the end of antorus, we could literally 18 man the first 4 bosses in Mythic… Having 2 trials present doesn’t mean they “progressed” with us. For all intents and purposes, they were along for the ride.
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except in a guild’s position, it would be a business transaction. raid members arent your friends, they are essentially employees. You have to make an investment in your potential new hires.
Just because the guilds i’ve been in didnt do the scumbag practices, doesnt mean others dont. as the other post pointed out as being the reason why blizzard made the change in the first place…
And just because my guild didn’t, doesnt mean i am naive and turning on my blindders and ignoring the fact that other guilds do that scumbag practice and that Master Looter is bad for the game.
You guys realize ML is never coming back right?
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Thats the number 1 on my “personal” list of changes i wish to see for wow. And beleve me that list is getting prety long.
So i hope with all my heart that ur wrong.
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Personal loot is alot easier than drama and ranking for loot that gives unfair advantage to people. Let the dice decide. Only issue i have is put legacy loot in for a lower level so we can get more loot from legion raids already…
And Blizzard believes that. But many things are “broken”, for new players.
One of them was “raid-leader assigned loot”. If 2/3 of your team is veterans (AND people you have played with for years) and 1/3 is recently-new players, who gets all the best loot? The veterans get it. That is unfair to new players. That is not “equal”.
The result is a lot of new players quitting (they can’t get good loot; they can’t gear up). The result is a DISASTER for a retail MMO.
There is an implied promise when you purchase an MMO: you will be treated equally. You can advance based on your ability. You won’t have to wait 2 years to get gear from raids and dungeons, for no other reason except that you have not been playing for 2 years.
For massive numbers of new players, that promise was broken by raid leaders. So Blizzard forced an equality. It was broken. Blizzard fixed it. If you only care about veteran players, you are part of the problem that Blizzard has to fix. They WILL fix it, if it is broken.
Hence why we’re asking for the choice to have ML or PL. So people like you who don’t want to deal with loot don’t have to. Meanwhile those of us who don’t mind taking on that burden to provide an experience that we prefer… can.
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Blizzard wants a uniformed way to loot gear. Not to mention a reduction in the number of loot tickets they had in the past.
Even though I only support ML in guild groups of 100% members. I realistically never see it coming back.
lets both hope that ur wrong then ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
lol
Ask Ion. He’s the one who claimed it. I’m pretty sure he’d have more data on this than any other person. It may also be that trial raiders never saw what happened to the loot. You don’t know for sure at the end of the raid that all the loot really was redisbursed to guildies.
I didn’t do a ton of raiding but i also absolutely refused to ever do a “trial” run because i don’t want to help someone down something for the CHANCE i might be accepted to the guild and get something later. It just seemed sketch to me from the get-go. Like an unpaid internship except it’s a forking game. Like seriously? In principle if you’re not in the guild of the raid leader you should be getting personal loot. Period.
If it’s re-added, they should modify ML to only apply to the raid leader’s guild mates who have been members for at least 48 hours and anyone else they accept to the raid should be on PL.
Edited ML policy because i think that my previous iteration could be easily abused.
I’m not asking Ion, I’m asking you.
He’s the one who claimed it and i gave you ample reason as to why a normal person may not know.
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Quote from person who has never competitively raided. Please tell me right now which is better. 4 people with 1 piece of tier, or, 1 person with a 4 set that, combined with their 2 set, increases their personal damage by 30%?
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