But, she is a perfect example of what sylvanas was saying in A Good War. The plotline they mostly threw out.
All the A and H races have reasons to hate each other.
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Economically unable to leave how?
Sylvanas gave me those reasons lol.
You, maybe, but if weâre speaking from player perspective I didnât get a great reasoning. It was mostly in A Good War, and like I said, thrown out.
The races in lore have plenty of reasons to hate each other and still barely address it. Some SI7 saying you belong in the barrens or Kulâtirans shouting about dirty horde hardly cuts it when they welcome forsaken with open arms.
Well, it takes resources to leave the Horde, depending on where one lives and their race. But say an Orc in Orgrimmar or Crossroads, as an example. Assumedly their options are live in the wilds or relocate to a neutral town like Ratchet, which is probably days or weeks away (know the weird distances get thrown around a lot) Takes money for food for the journey. Possible money for supplies like a tent or ship passage. They might be unsuited for the risks such as harpies or crocolisks, so they would need to probably join a caravan. If they have a family, those are other people to support. If they are too ill, old, or otherwise handicapped, it further complicates matters.
Even if weâre assuming they can just use a portal somewhere without a high cost, theyâll need money to live wherever they go. Which, depending on their skills, they may or may not be able to find work. Especially if their race is a hindrance.
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The horde as an organization deserves to be dismantled, and everyone who defends it are naz is.
i am sorry that this is the case for the players.
There is no such thing as horde innocents.
Keep in mind, I donât really like the Alliance either. I think the Alliance is a system of human imperialism, and I think the Horde is an expansionist war machine. I play a Night Elf who subscribes to neither faction and wants to just be left alone. So you canât point at what I say and claim that is the reason why the Horde and the Alliance will never stop fighting⌠I wanted nothing to do with either of them until the Horde came and burned down my home and killed all my friends (Speaking from an in-character perspective.)
Sylvanas gave me reasons to hate the Horde⌠and she justifies that with âThey have their reasons to hate.â Itâs a self fulfilling prophecy.
Orcs are a nomadic people, as were the Tauren. I donât believe a race of nomadic hunters would have issues with traveling. Especially in a magical world where food in conjurable, and medicine is miracle working.
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Werenât only the Warsong nomadic? Plus, many probably having grown up either in the interment camps or Orgrimmar. I donât believe every peon, bartender, and tailor necessarily has the skill or coin to live or travel wherever they please.
Thereâs narrative inconsistency, to a degree, on such things. But we must assume it is relatively uncommon. Given things like famine, drought, disease, and injury being serious issues.
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Based on your NEâs eye color I would say youâre a religious zealot. JK
But itâs not just about your character. Itâs about the perspective of things. Highelves born in the EK fighting trolls and zombies might be pissed off if their history book says the NE threw them out for practicing magic.
The comment of morally standing against someone and holding them accountable is something that blizzard tries to portray from both sides in the lore. The alliance want to hold the horde accountable for everything every horde race has ever done for any reason and the horde want to stop the alliance from imposing their rules on them.
Itâs not like they would have any form of security either. An orc who packs his bags and moves to desolace would be at risk of Centaurs, Satyrs, and angry vengeful Nightelves.
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Nothing thats the point. Horde should not be the evil faction and Alliance should not be the good faction.
They should just be imperfect groups of people who do good and bad things during the course of a bloody war.
Right now the Alliance is the stupid and boring faction.
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Culture, history, themes. The stuff thatâs actually more interesting, to me, than morality.
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I donât believe that. People can and do flee to other countries all the time, with nothing. Unless their legs are broken, I am not going to be sympathetic to people who have repeatedly proved to be complacent with evil regimes.
I mean, youâre not wrong.
You would think they would be angry at the trolls and zombies they are now fighting along side.
The Horde doesnât get that luxury after Teldrassil.
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Different trolls and zombies. Notice how the BE didnât try to convince the amani to join the horde. After 20 years or so they have made some progress on not being racist jerks.
Thatâs up to whoever wins this war.
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And some people canât. Not everyone has the same ability or opportunity to do so. Thereâs no question of that.
Well it wasnât a question of sympathy, but whether or not the civilians themselves were evil.
Not sure why you never conceded children to be in the innocent field as well.
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The thing is Blizzard doesnât realize what morally grey means. Saying you want the Alliance to be morally grey gives you the PTR Volâdun invasion, where the Alliance had a group literally named Purge Squad slaughtering the vulpera who had absolutely nothing to do with the war and werenât even part of the Horde. Thatâs not grey, itâs straight black.
Remember this is the company who recently said Warcraft 1 was a grey conflict. They donât know what morally grey means.
Iâm all for giving the Alliance more internal strife and characters like pre-Old God Fandral like it did in Classic-Wrath, but not villain batting them. The Horde didnât deserve that and the Alliance doesnât either.
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No such thing as innocent Horde. Only complacent bystanders. Theyâve made their choice.
Why is it always the âweâre the undisputed good guys!â Alliance players who are the most disturbingly genocidal?
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Probably because those two things are connected.
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âRather than live in my town, making bread and occasionally helping catch a stray kodo, I am going to leave, because simply seeing a Horde flag makes me morally culpable for every action anyone marching under that flag has ever committed! Truly, starvation for me and my family, along with violence from anyone we canât scare off or bribe, is better than making bread for my neighbors, who are filthy Horde citizens, like myself!â
The kind of refugees youâre describing are generally leaving out of fear for their lives, like the trolls during Garroshâs pogroms.
Just go away.
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Sounds like na zis.
Iâm just glad people like you donât speak for the Alliance.
I see⌠Itâs only racist when the Alliance does it. Got it.
Well, itâs not looking great for the Horde so far. Something tells me the genocidal bad-guys donât have a narrative advantage here.
Debatable
Yes.
Children lack the ability to make choices like that. Adults have no excuse.
Funny, the Horde are the only ones to actually commit Genocide.
Truth