Truth bomb: These people do not want a morally grey Alliance because they would enjoy a more nuanced storytelling of the faction, they want the Alliance to become morally darker because they are Horde fans first and foremost (the story forums are overwhelmed with them) and want to be able to blame the Alliance for anything more easily, so they can justify each action of the Horde.
It would be a lot easier to justify Sylvanas’ actions right now if Anduin was also being a big jerk to the Horde, and then they’d start pressing for the genocide/disbandment of the Alliance, since that’s all they’ve ever wanted!
We just want to be able to get revenge without being told " their are mourning their dead let’s not attack them now even if we could finish this war " or having to forgive them for no reasons exept “we are so good”.
I have only one Horde character to see their story, I have a lot more Alliance characters and mostly night elves and it is because I am a NE fan that I dislike the lack of moral ambiguity that prevents my favorite race from getting a savage revenge.
I’ll be upfront and admit my horde bias, but I think you’re wrong. First of all, Anduin and the Alliance’s antagonism to the Horde is very real, but many pretend it isn’t there because of the story’s tone, it only looks like the alliance isn’t morally grey.
I’d like the Alliance to be more morally grey because it would make them more interesting. For example, Genn/admiral whatsherface attacking the Forsaken Fleet in Stormheim was incredibly irresponsible in the context of the Legion invasion and he was not authorized to attack them, but their motivations were relatable. It makes Genn more interesting because he is less predictable. Although, the worgen seem kind of stagnant, they are my favorite alliance race. Now that the Lightforged are going all Scarlet Crusader, I’m hoping that gets expanded on. The alliance is getting some teeth in BFA, and Anduin’s annoying idealism (which is not neccesarily morally correct IMO) won’t hold them back forever.
RP wise, yes, blight/dismantle the alliance. That needs no further justification.
Narratively, no. The hunter is nothing without the prey.
If BFA started with the Seige of Lordaeron, and Baine was the Warchief acting like Anduin is acting now, I would want to cook up tauren chieftain steaks more than I do now.
I want both sides to be actually grey, the way it felt when I started playing back in BC, because I honestly believe the game world was more interesting in those days. Unfortunately for those who want a pure white Alliance, the only way for that to happen is for the Horde to get lighter and the Alliance to get darker so that they can meet in the middle.
However, I think there can and should still be thoroughly good and decent individuals on both sides. And both sides should also have individuals who are driven by selfishness, hatred, blind revenge, or other negative emotions.
I’m not even sure the Alliance can be morally grey at this point. Tyrande could kill the Horde to the last, then sit down to a nice meal of fresh Tauren-calf liver, and a glass of looted arcwine, and come out of it all only a shade of morally light silver (and even that would just be from accidentally stepping on one of the cockroach vendor’s pets).
It would have to come almost ridiculously out of left field, and from someone whose people haven’t majorly suffered at the hands of the Horde. So… Gelbin, pretty much.
Not really, but teldrassil was so over the top and got everyone (irl) so demoralized that i think the masses just dont care anymore and would just shrug at this point if Tyrande dropped the moon on Org a la majora’s mask and go “**** it, fair is fair, just end this bad expac pls”
You are wrong.
alliance main here.
The only reason why i wouldn’t want “morally gray” would be because i don’t want that jaina dies in some thrash raid but since she is a raid boss anyway and that at least she escapes then i just don’t care anymore, not only i want more “morally gray” i want an unmerciful alliance performing a glorious revenge, no mercy, no surrender. you can’t forgive genocide.
i was salty the first time that we did nothing in orgrimmar after theramore, i am going to be more salty now that the horde can do what they want without consequences.
And it would be nice if yrel join us in our glorious crusade.
i am sick of being the good guy who let these things happen because we forgive everything.
I hate to say it, but OP is right. The Horde falling in line as the evil faction, and the Alliance falling in line as the Good faction, has been a facet of Warcraft Story Telling since Warcraft: Orcs and Humans. Warcraft 3 is the only one who broke that stigma, and even then, the Horde story in Warcraft 3 was about them battling with themselves over their nature. Thrall struggled keeping the Horde in check, not only did they have a mini Civil War with Grom Hellscream (With the aid of Jaina and the Alliance, mind you). But Thrall never banned the practice of Slavery in the Horde, despite living as a slave himself, and vowing to his people that they shall never again live in chains. Thrall, with the aid of Rexxar, slaughtered the indigenous Centaur, Quillboar and Harpies in Durotar during their settling. He failed to prevent Sylvanas from conducting Alchemical experiments on the living, nor stopped her from stealing Blood Elf corpses from the Ghostlands. And he failed to prevent the events of the Wrathgate.
Thrall tried to make a new Horde, and the Horde fought him ever step of the way, and as soon as he stepped down as Warcheif, the Horde went to War and commit some of the worst atrocities Azeroth had ever seen.
People wonder why Thrall hasn’t come back yet? It’s because the Horde has failed him… time and time again.
I’d like us to push the attack because the Horde burnt thousands upon thousands of people alive in fiery genocide, and when victory is in our grasp within weeks, you should really push like crazy lest the Warchief gets trigger happy again.
That ain’t morally grey. That’s just common sense.
It sounds intriguing on paper. But if you really think about it, if both factions are “morally grey” though, then what would distinguish one from the other exactly?
I want better writing overall, for both factions and for the sake of the lore, and better writing involves the inclusion of some nuance.
But of course, first I’d have to trust the writers to be capable of that nuance, and not just swapping around who gets to commit the pointless atrocity today.