So new season is here and tough healing checks are in place. Its very early to tell but I wanted to add to the discussion that so far healing checks with RM/CF are a breeze and damage wise you can afford to go ham most of the dungeon due to how strong triage healing and in general how much throughput you can produce. a bit baffled how people dont run this build but each his own. Here are some logs from few recent runs where the damage is absurd while also passing massive healing checks ( like HOI frost boss )
more to come as i find time to push onwards. So far the only issue i find is mana. this hopefully will be adressed with tier and honestly healing checks feel great . you can pump endless hps
Edit: now with the new season,fight patterns have drastically changed. There is a lot of ST healing and big aoe healing checks aswell. How hard is it to see( especially with the tier) that we have other ways( and better) to build up for m+? And its not like we change playstyle dramatically. Its the same playstyle, with just more healing and more healing tools,faster ramps,more reliable spot healing. A bit harder to play? Maybe if you are not comfortable with how RM works.
At this point, I think itâs fair to say that the meta/fw fandom wonât listen unless someone shows them. And by showing I mean being #1
Iâm personnally more of a fw player too. And even if the healing checks are easier as caster, Iâm more congortable facing them as fw anyways
Pretty sure Iâm not the only one either (althiugh I want to try more with RM/CFđ¤ˇââď¸)
There is a big misunderstanding. Rm CF build is a semi-fistweaver build , just without AT and FLS but with everything else that makes MW strong. You still SCK/tp/bok/rsk the vast majority of dungeons.
The change comes in spot healing ahwre you play around TFT envms and extend via RSK , very fast yulon ramps into soom viv cleave for reliable big sustained hps and outaide of yulon you still have a reliable aoe viv cleave with double tft EnvM into soom envm viv cleave.
Damagewise its up there aswell .The raidbrains have caught up with RM/CF in raiding but it seems the m+ brains are still stubborn.( Gatekeeping because of preference)
RF/CM byild was the better build even without tier in s1 btw. It was kist very hard to play for the general population,but it was the highest hps build. Now its so far ahead that you have to play it.
It is preferance atm friend. You have the highest throughput build ,yet you dont wanna play it. You can produce same or greater dps numbers yet you dont wanna
I agree that it is preference. Which is wonderful for the spec imo.
Most might be waiting on their tier set to switch over? Because I donât feel like playing the mana hungry version until I am properly geared for it⌠they should just fix the mana issues within the spec so that we donât rely on gear to play âoptimalyââŚ
100% on that. Im overly happy that we have more than one optimal ways to play. Honestly i find that so damn good and unique about the spec. Dont know many other specs that have that luxury. And it has been a swift lately to accept other stuff, hopefully we ll see that in m+ aswell. I just hope they dont delete healing checks once we get geared
Im optimistic though that people might catch up,i really need someone thats better than me to show the true potential of the spec. Saw the MW in WF and it was a joy to watch. I hope we ll see that in m+ aswell ,and not just gatekeeping.In an ideal world,people would swap depending on dungeon,that would be freaking awesome. Use the whole MW kit/tree
Was reading a comment of a MW earlier how he struggles with healing and how Vivify is weak etc and the answer he received was,its gonna get better when people learn etc. Brah cmon we have the tools to deal with it already. You cannot rely on perfect play,you have to rely on your kit and throughput.
My advice would be people log your keys. Even of logs have a weird way of tracking some stuff for keys. Its the only way we can see whats feelycrafting and whats actually reality
Do we really need to link you back to the last thread where you did nothing but post anecdotal drivel that wasnât supported by any actual stats or can you just stop already?
As Iâve started in previous threads, This might be a higher HPS build but I donât believe HPS isnât a metric that is the limiting factor in m+.
Also if Iâm not mistaken, the link you posted is specifically talking about raid while youâre talking about m+.
I have never disagreed with HPS potential of this build. Just the requirement of HPS numbers in m+
well we have plenty of hard HPS checks in this season so far. We need to see how fortified weeks will look like, but im guessing that it will be a healing nightmare aswell.
also damagewise , its pulling vgood numbers, straight up competing or beating other builds . People really need to start logging so we can see what is happening all around. Because feelycrafting that it does worse dps than fistweaver, yet i have yet to see a difference
i agree but the nature of this season is ROT damage. heavy rot damage . its not a sudden big boom and game over you survive or not. you have many mini hyrja fights ( damage wise) or you have heavy continuus rot dam. The build that can put throughput will win imo
Would AT be the talent to combat rot damage? Since it is passively healing the group while doing your normal rotation while something like Clouded Focus would be more burst since you have to dedicate multiple GCDs to it in order for it to ramp up?
Seems like a my build does everything has no flaws. I don't know why nobody else plays it
From what Iâve seen so far, AT is far from healing enough in the cases soom is talking about.
Like soom said its âheavy rot dmgâ AT is good for light to med dmg at best. This makes you have to cast and heal without it here and there.
I feel like Iâd do nelthâs laire with CF/RM. Cuz Iâve had to move out at lot on third boss and didnt get the best uptime while meleeing him. (Just one example)
Nwver said it doesnât have flaws. For one ots gear dependant in terms of offence. Also it has mana issues and if you can oom quite fast of you dont remember to TP/BoK on bosses like a ton. Basically its an AT build on steroids. If you realise that the highest throughput the AT build has is via EnvM hardcasting while you have chi-ji then spamming viv,you can quickly realise that yulon CF does it better and faster
Overall its a much more demanding build to play but with a much higher reward floor.
