you know whats more toxic than parses and various other forms of playstyles and such?
people spamming for the playstyles and tools to be banned because they dont like them.
news flash.
you are not entitled to other peoples time or efforts to carry you and they are not entitled to you carrying them.
you do not have to join any group at all and are not entitled to join the groups that want to play with other like minded people and you are not of like mind or skill or whatever they deem you are not of.
you should not get to dictate to me or anyone else what is “fun” and what is not.
i dont care if half the groups have very lax requirements or even stringent ones.
make your own freaking group and make it the way you want with what standards or lack thereof and have fun.
dont tell me or others what is fun. we can figure it out ourselves.
stop trying to get stuff banned in game cause you dont agree with it.
the gdkp thing may have had some merit but the other stuff like parsing? no ty i happen to like improving on parses and my whole friend group likes it as well as many others.
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Or they can just play ffxiv if they want a mmo without logs or parsing or dps meters
Seeing your performance improve weekly is fun.
ya . if you want to play ff go play that.
but good luck trying to actually buy the game lol.
Self improvement is great, harshly comparing yourself to other people or being compare to other people and being told you aren’t good enough isn’t healthy. That’s how mental health issue happen.
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thats on the person though . people need to have more spine and self worth to counteract that.
they sure dont need to be handheld like some sort of infant with no self awarness though.
i want to add to this.
i dont want to live in a sanitized world free of any sharp edges or any consequence of my own or others actions.
you either sink or swim in life . people are not gonna be there all the time to hold you up . you have to put forth the effort.
i remember trying to buy the game through the website back in the day and it was harder trying to figure that out than the horrible map system the game had.
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Yes people need this, but not everyone has been blessed with an upbringing that encourages self worth.
It is still not healthy to be surrounded by people who tell you “I don’t want you because you are X…” or “You’re not good enough to do X…” whenever you try and join a group.
Of course finding friends or just making a group yourself is a solution, albeit a daunting one for some.
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exactly! i believe this definitely… very-well said.
so just let people enjoy the game as they see fit.
allow people to use wow tokens in season of discovery
allow people to use raid finder in season of discovery
that would be perfect!
thanks for the suggestion, friend… i really enjoyed reading your post.
things are gonna be daunting at some point for someone with no grit to them.
but they have to get though that point.
no amount of hand holding is going to stop it from happening and will probably make it worse if you go in holding peoples hands.
perfectly stated… so everyone should be able to use raid finder if they think it is fun.
Ah yes, I remember the website being terrible.
They have improved it a lot though, I bought the recent expansion on the website without any fuss for instance.
As far as the parse thing goes, it still happens in FFXIV. 100%.
They just don’t talk about it in-game. You get yelled at in Discord.
i see you came into my post to troll it too after i decided not to reply any more to yours.
there is a difference in what i am saying though .
those things people are railing against and wanting banned are actually IN THE GAME CURRENTLY.
not wanting additions to the game that go against the core design of what makes this and other “classic era” “vanilla+” versions of the game as a social game (which includes their given reasoning to ban gdkps) .
raidfinder isnt in the cards if they are sticking to that reasoning and therefore shouldnt be included in the game at this juncture.
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The difference between wow token and wowlogs is one is supported gold buying in game and the other is an external website that has no relation to the game
Your parses don’t affect you but someone buying gold will, if indirectly
oh, so you are basically saying “i get to decide my own fun” while simultaneously saying “i don’t want anyone to have fun with raid finder”?
would this be a correct assessment of your position?
thanks again for the lovely conversation, i really enjoyed it.
no this would be incorrect.
although i disagree with raidfinder personally it has little to do with why im saying it probably shouldnt be in the game.
why i am saying it is , they wont add it cause it directly goes against stated and not so obviously stated goals of the “classic era” and “vanilla+” style of game.
its antithetical to the games design philosophy and thus shouldnt be added.
since you disagree with raid finder you don’t want it in the game?
but i think that goes against your statement that people get to decide for themselves what is or is not fun, correct?
no. you again are not reading my full post and picking out little bits of it to try and do some gotcha bs .
read the whole post. im not typing it again.
well you say that raid finder is “antithetical to the games design”
well, WoW and other MMOs in general were designed to give people a way to communicate and socialize with others in a fantasy world online.
So, raid finder serves that purpose because it gives players another tool to help them make more friends and socialize within the game.
so for that reason, Raid Finder is actually essential to the core of WoW and all of its values.
This coming from the guy who thinks saying incel is just as bad as saying the N-word.
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