The coding of Azeroth wasn’t changed to create blood elves (outside of new starting zones, which was part of tbc)
Blood elves being in Azeroth does not impact anything regarding old content coding.
The base game is Classic. Implementing Belves and Draenei turns Classic into BC. We can keep going around in circles, you’re never going to change my mind. Belves and Draenei are BC. Them being in Azeroth/old world/the base game/Classic (w/e you want to call it) makes it BC. Just like when DKs run around in Azeroth/old world/the base game/Classic/BC makes it Wrath Content. The game becomes the latest expac of whatever you slap onto it. You cannot experience Azeroth/old world/the base game/Classic/BC ever again because the world is that expac.
Selecting the Classic Era type server for Classic (specifically) is through the lens of Classic and not BC. Where there are no Belves no Draenei running around Azeroth/old world/Classic. Their existence is BC.
It does actually. To make them able to travel through Azeroth/old world/Classic to begin with. Regardless, even with Azeroth/old world/Classic not being altered like Cata did, the mere existence of Belves and Draenei does NOT make this a Classic experience. It’s a BC one. They are exclusive to BC. I’m experiencing Azeroth/old world/Classic through the lens of BC.
That’s not how it works.
Sorry. But blizzard coding contradicts that.
If you remove Draenei and blood elves and Outland from TBC - it’s still not classic.
I really don’t care about the coding, even if we want to use that argument, the coding has to be altered to even allow Belves and Draenei to even exist in Azeroth/old world/base game/Classic.
I agree with that. I’m still saying, their existence doesn’t make for a Classic one, either.
That coding doesn’t modify Azeroth in any meaningful way.
So no, You’re wrong.
The code that needs to be modified is considered TBC content…
You are effectively arguing “I don’t care if blizzard designed it that way, it’s wrong”
shrug
I wouldn’t make the coding argument if I were you, it actually strengthens her position.
Several elite areas were changed to non-elite, dustwallow got an entire revamp, there’s some significant enough changes to old azeroth if you look. It also feels different with the reduced exp requirements and mounts available at a lower level (and much better designed classes, proper talent trees, etc).
I think a stronger argument is more that on launch day, people want to be able to go with their friends through the portal, rather than appreciate the subtleties.
Of course, if they want to level from 1… they still can. The boost is only once per account, and while some will buy new accounts for another boost, many will not.
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Yes. And those changes were visible whether you owned TBC or not… because they improved the base game.
The base game is consistently being improved - doesn’t mean those changes are automatically part of the expansion.
Now you’re getting semantic.
I can buy JC items off the AH without owning the expansion; does that mean JC isn’t a TBC feature, because the base game has access?
Or any TBC item, really.
Just because you got it for free doesn’t mean it wasn’t a part of TBC.
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No.
Because the source of creation defines what content code belongs to typically.
Only exception in WoW’s history was cataclysm.
That wasn’t your earlier argument. You stated the code isn’t altered, when in fact it is altered. Altering the coding is altering the coding. IDC how “impactful” it is or not. The code has been altered.
No, I’m right LOL
EXACTLY! Belves and Draenei being in Azeroth IS BC! LOL
You’re making my argument, for me LOL
No, I’m arguing that Blizz designing something to shape into BC is BC LOL
Back at ya.
Which means it’s BC.
Yes, it does! The Base Game is no longer Classic. It’s a BC World.
Damn, this Piper guy is still bringing up irrational nonsense huh. Good and beneficial changes outweigh your feelings. I’m sorry you’re feeling old and trying to relive your life 15 years ago but, welcome to reality. I already made some suggestions to you however to help you relive TBC the way you want it, so did you downgrade your internet and PC yet, and close all those sites, and uninstall all those addons yet?
Azeroth code isn’t altered to allow for blood elves…
Loading a new sprite into old content… doesn’t change the old content ._.
No it doesn’t lmao.
That’s not how coding or game design works.
The problem is you’re both arguing the old world belongs distinctly in 1 pile.
You are both wrong. It is the old world from classic, but there are changes made in TBC. It is not one or the other, it is both.
Good news is, whether it’s part of TBC or not is actually unimportant because the question being asked is, is this something you should be allowed to skip? And I would say even if it is partially TBC content, you should be allowed to skip it (with the current suggested limitations).
No one is arguing that hellfire or dranei zones aren’t MORE TBC than old world levelling, which is a mix.
I’m against it, and I main a priest… my highest level mage is 36, and I’m about to delete him because I have a level 21 mage I like better, so your argument isn’t accurate for me, and I suspect that, although it’s probably accurate for few, not the majority.
It’s “both” is not technically correct.
Never has been in wows entire 15+ years of experience.
Content is always tied to the expansion that it was released in, regardless of improvements that may have happened along the way.
If someone asked you how you enjoyed shadowlands, you wouldn’t answer “leveling in Pandarian was a lot of fun!”
They’re not irrational nor nonsensical LOL
You mistake me for a “#nochanger”. I’m a “#somechanger”. I would like Race Changes and Faction Changes over the Level 58 Boost Feature. With the way they’re implementing the boost, makes these changes rather tricky.
Not my argument LOL
False equivalencies.
Yes it is LOL
Yes, it does. I’m experiencing Azeroth/old world/Classic with BC content. Classic didn’t have Belves nor Draenei in it, therefore the old content has been changed.
You have to alter the code to make a sprite look a certain way LOL
I’m not arguing that the old world belongs in 1 pile. I’m arguing that the game is what it’s meant to be. BC is BC just like Classic is Classic.
And, I would say leveling my Belf/Draenei is a lot of fun. That constitutes leveling out into the old world.
If I didn’t like leveling out in Outlands but do in the old world, that’s what I would say! I do like the Belves and Draenei, and they are exclusive to BC. I can’t play one in Classic.
I disagree, and I can prove it to you.
If you had to level a character 1-58, and you could choose to do it with azeroth as it was in classic, or azeroth as it was in TBC, which would you choose?
Because if you have any preference, either way, it proves the TBC changes were significant.
And actually, I would say that about shadowlands, since the level squish and chromie time are both shadowlands features that dramatically changed levelling. Similar to how cataclysm changed up the zones back in the day.
Being able to level in just pandaria to new content, no other expacs, in around a day of /played is a shadowlands feature.
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It’s clear you don’t know how game design or coding works.
No wounder why you are arguing against blizzard lol
How am I wrong, this is literally what you are saying, you responded to me multiple times “BUT THIS WASN’T IN CLASSIC”. That’s your defense, but I just told you what also wasn’t in classic. So you’re just picking and choosing what’s okay, and you individual feelings on it should be taken into consideration? Did you know you’re not the only person on the planet? Yeah there’s more!