I didn’t even realize Holy Nova was supposed to benefit from Phantom Reach - that’s actually pretty cool.
And Lightweaver build getting a few interlocking buffs - it already seemed like it would shine in 11.0, now even more so.
Question is, are these changes gonna really make a difference?
I mean, considering we’re the least updated class in TWWI, tuning (within reason) can’t make all that much of a difference.
It’s basically status quo, but at least they’re somewhat recognizing that the loss of the tier set requires compensation elsewhere. 11.0 is basically more of 10.2.6 but that’s still a lot better than 10.0 was!
The +1 point+ talent changes are near useless as it is the last 3 rows of the holy and disc trees that are a bloated train wreck. Freeing up one point here and there early in the tree means nothing when the bottom half of the tree is still gated so hard.
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played beta today just to verify my conclusion on priest so far.
PVP wise
Archon just not it
Voidweaver mindspike only option. But if you are not a fan of mindspike, blizz literally just kicked you out.
I tried so much to make archon work but it just ain’t it.
Guess ima go mage til sub burns out =/.
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Fair point, but at least they’re doing something about how bloated the class and spec are with 2 point talents compared to others.
I’ll take some iteration over the total radio silence at least.
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Tell me when i dont have to use DA and mind spike for top boss damage and ill be happy
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10.0 was the best version of shadow I’ve seen since WOD. Personally I’m not happy with the new shadow playstyle.
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FDCL getting the Healing Chorus treatment, but who’s going to use this over Protective Light’s 10% passive DR? Disc and Holy both have persistent problems with survivability as is.
Circle of Healing’s power budget moved from Healing Chorus to the base spell is a good thing, after the loss of DF S3 tier set it’s really difficult to maintain 20 stacks per cooldown and coupled with PoH buffs it does look like it is optimal to go back to Prayer Circle instead.
Looks like Blizzard really wants Holy to go back to Lightweaver for dungeons, even possibly raids. Lightweaver was already viable for both modes, and this buff probably will push a lot of people over the line if they were already considering it.
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From Darkness Comes Light is more of a Shadow thing because Disc/Holy passively get Protective Light from Binding Heals and Flash Heal. Holy gets easily a 80%+ uptime on Protective Light in M+ so I don’t see that changing.
Cauterizing Shadows w/ a +60% boost is actually really strong (almost equal to 1/2 a flash heal cast). On Disc/Shadow you’ll be able to do a lot of group healing, but with how Disc refreshes SWP with Penance casts it might not work properly…
How Oracle works is each time you use Premonition the buff changes to the next one. So you rotate between all 3 then you get all 3 at once.
Insight is strong because you can do 4 PoM casts back-to-back or 4 Holy Fires for dps. This will almost guarantee proc you Answered Prayers if you spread the PoMs around evenly and have charges already built up. Piety is fine it’s better than Divine Word. Solace is the weakest, but that leads to getting all 3 buffs at once next. With a 45s cd it only takes about 3 min to hit your Capstone.
Between Apotheosis, Divine Word, Divine Hymn, Answered Prayers, and Premonition you have a lot of abilities to cycle through to counter group damage.
They might be trying to angle it as such, but currently it’s 10% DR for the cost of 1 global. It’s like bear form. You’d never give it up.
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Exactly, I doubt there’s really a scenario where 60% buff on Flash Heal is going to heal more damage than 10s of 10% DR, and note it’s really a 10% increase from the previous iteration in 50%.
As shadow you just PW:S then FH once if you really need to manage your own hp in a pinch, assuming everything else is down.
FDCL needs to be in the ballpark of 200% or more for it to be even worth taking for any priest spec.
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The change to Healing Chorus was needed because you’re only looking at 5-10 stacks of it between CoH resets depending on how often Benediction procs. If you hard cast a couple of Renews you can get 20 stacks easily and net profit a +30% increase to CoH.
In regards to Lightweaver… the gap between Heal and Flash Heal is 37% and if you add in the +25% healing bonus your Heal will do about 75% of a Holy Word Serenity cast. It’s competitive, but then you need to weigh it against Divine Word. If you go Lightweaver then you get either Resonant Words or LoTN which has its own benefits. However, with how often people spend <50% hp… Desperate Times has way more value.
Divine Image is basically a mandatory pick regardless. 1-2 Naarus out consistently does more healing than Lightweaver even with the buff.
They really do need to crunch down more of these talents into 1 pointers on the bottom of the Holy tree. Resonant Words, Answered Prayers, and Harmonious are probably the biggest offenders.
Renews healing is low… it does 1/2 of a Flash Heal now. Back at the start of the DF expansion a Renew cast did almost as much healing as Heal.
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If you hardcast Renew it just means less gcds spent casting Flash Heal and PoH, and if you consider 4pc tier as well(not sure if they fixed it yet), it’s about the same result in the end.
The tradeoff is roughly the same between half the max value of Healing Chorus versus FH or PoH minus Renew’s healing. Probably the latter being a bit more under most circumstances since it’s easier to either dodge overheal with FH or heal more with buffed PoH, at the cost of slightly more mana.
Personally leaning towards Prayer Circle making a comeback, unless they just bake Revitalizing Prayers or Prayer Circle(or even both) into our baseline so we can continue to max out Healing Chorus even without our tier set.
Anyway that aside, if you think about the relationship between Prayer Circle, Healing Chorus and Revitalizing Prayers, it really feels like they all need to be taken at once in order for all of them to be functional:
If you take Healing Chorus, you want to spam PoH with Revitalizing Prayers for those Renew procs…which would then incentivise taking Prayer Circle so you can get more PoH casts out at a cheaper cost. Except the catch being Prayer Circle is a choice node with Healing Chorus.
The problem with Revitalizing Prayers is its basically a slot machine like Epiphany. Also, since Rapid Recovery got chucked out the window it makes the Renews from RP weaker.
The 4-piece tier set bonus replicated heals don’t utilize any of the talents on the beta unless its bugged. You have to watch your mana bars because if you start chain casting PoH or Flash Heal you’ll be oom near the end of the 5 minute fights.
Even then PoH and your tier set bonus isn’t going to be more than 5% of your overall compared to CoH, PoM, and Halo being 50%+ of your overall.
If you stagger out a couple of Renews to fish for Healing Chorus stacks then your CoH healing increases by about 6-12 mil healing on a boss fight which is about a net increase of +3.5% overall healing. Not much, but its there.
You can still cast PoH when needed, but Flash Heal is definitely going to be our bread and butter. it does more healing than PoH and with Trail of Light only costing 1 point you can budget that into a raid build more easily.
If you emphasize Flash Heal it can probably be 10-12% of your overall, all talents and tier set bonuses included.
Archon also gives 3 free SoL procs a minute.
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It’s the tradeoff for not having to hardcast Renew. Sometimes you might get 18 stacks instead of 20 when you have to cast CoH again, and that’s fine.
Having to cycle between 3 different filler spells instead of just 2 for 1-2% overall extra throughput(if even that) is an additional pain point Holy doesn’t really need.
At this point, Renew should simply be a secondary mechanic that procs additional hots on the team based on what we do already, and not something we have to arbitrarily squeeze into our rotation just because we want to do that additional 20-30% on Circle of Healing.
And with regards to Trail of Light, I rather it just procs Renew when you cast Flash Heal on another target.
They have to buff Renew imho because before it was balanced before around having a high uptime with the S3 2-piece bonus. It needs a 100% buff. lol
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