It will not. Holy was already capable of bursting extremely high in later DF. But you can’t maintain that DPS unless you’re fighting large packs the entire dungeon, only committing your Apoth to DPS and never fighting a ST boss somehow. You’ll fall behind so badly on ST that you’ll lose a good third of your DPS in the overall dungeon.
And, you know, if you ever had to emergency heal anyone in that theoretical 2 healer setup, you immediately lose DPS.
Yeah. Double-healer would never be really optimal, I’m just vaguely worried it might be considered somewhat viable. And as Caithyra mentioned, we’ve seen some pretty wild swings and buffs regarding our DPS tuning for the past few years - enough that I’m not confident the developers have a great handle on how to model our expected damage output.
So far holy-dps is absolutely only a meme-build because of the single-target thing. Hopefully it stays that way so we can have fun blasting in delves/dungeons.
We’ll see as the PTR keeps iterating. (Please let them keep iterating. 
If our late-by-an-expansion rework was just one set of changes with no accounting for feedback I’m going to tear out all my hair.)
Yeah what I mean is to make it viable you’d have to have GREAT communication with your other healer - presumably also a holy priest (because you need very high damage to make it near a real group’s DPS) and be rotating your cooldowns perfectly together both pack to pack, and during boss to make sure that you’re both optimally taking over healing at the right times. And this is for both of you to do 1.1-1.5 mil DPS in a patch where the DPS are doing around 2mil. So take one of the healers out and replace them and there’s really no clear advantage to just your standard average group.
Being possible to clear a +10 or something is one thing. But you wouldn’t actually be able to challenge super hard keys with a comp that shares as much (terrible) class utility as double Hpriest without some crazy communication.
I do expect some iteration, I just don’t think they’ll wildly change damage stuff for healers anymore. They seem pretty content with each healer’s damage rotation except maybe disc/monk, since they’ve been keeping them relatively the same for 2 expansions.
Can we no longer do Apotheosis, Chastise, Holy Fire, Holy Fire, Holy Nova, Chastise, Holy Fire, Holy Fire, Holy Nova, Chastise…?
It’s 3 casts to reset Chastise w/ LOTN and Apo so that’s feasible. Also, you can keep extending Apotheosis, and that gives you a longer dps uptime.
How long were you dpsing for? You can pull well over a million for 3+ minutes without running DMG gems in that ring on those cleave dummies.
You’d never run two healers. Dps classes can pull 14 mil+.
3 min in my tests. 1mil is peak potential, but in actuality it’d be more 30-50% of that in a real dungeon scenario. DPS also drops like a rock in single target damage scenarios.
Oh ya our single target is very bad. A good buff to shadow word pain would go a long way with that.
They honestly need to do something with SWP. It doesn’t CDR your Holy Words and it does less damage then Smite / Holy Fire.
They should just replace it with Purge the Wicked and make Holy Fire spread it around. They can nerf Burning Vehemence’s AOE effect damage to compensate for it.
This means you can get Throes of Pain on every trash pull and not have to drink intermittently.
Although with the nerfs to Mindbender resets… Disc is going to be struggling with mana in keys.
Voice of harmony should give all remaining spells the appropriate holy word reduction . Divine star should act for both chastise and sanctify, feels bad pressing that in dps windows and it heals so little it feels bad pressing it in heal intense windows too. I took it off my world PvP talent choice.
I would love a talent that changed SWP into purge the wicked. That would ft holy and disc MUCH better aesthetically.
PS: please make sure we’re keeping the priest feedback thread active on the Undermined PTR discussion going. We need to get our voices heard there.
My only guess is they’re afraid that in PvP situations a Holy Priest would activate Apotheosis and keep casting SWP for Chastise resets while running around.
At this point and how it looks, as usual, we can be happy if we get any iteration at all. I hate this radiosilence we get for years. Now we get something thrown at us and that´s it. Ffs, keep working on it, don´t act like Hoylpriest is perfect now. Another Garbage Tier Season in M+ and i´m done with the game for good.
It’s been radio silence since the TWW beta. In DF Blizzard communicated 3-4x more often on the forums.
Almost like there was some restructuring between then and now. 
I am a little disappointed with the lack of communication and class changes from this 11.1 PTR, too.
We got a wall of changes before Christmas, and basically no iteration since. And most of those changes from that first round have barely moved the needle in terms of affecting class balance, shifting the meta, or making new builds or playstyles viable.
For example, PoH and Renew received a lot of attention in that first round of changes, but in all the feedback I’ve seen is that even with all of these changes it didn’t really make either ability much more relevant or effective.
I am getting increasingly concerned that we will witness a rush of class and dungeon changes in the last week or so of PTR that won’t get properly tested. Unfortunately these will be pushed live, players will reroll and make choices for the season based on whatever makes it out on top, followed by a set of sweeping nerfs to the handful of outliers/overperformers a week or two into the season.
Not complete silence during TWW development. They’ve said a lot to shamans and hunters, with a little to their pet classes. They’ve been speaking primarily with the volume of changes, or complete lack thereof, they’ve been making to classes this expansion.
Who would forget our “Powerword: GFY” Bluepost. #neverforget
Then silence for most of the addon, before we got, iirc, 2 days before reset some minor changes thrown at us.
The treatment of Holy is horrible for years now and still has so many issues. Why don´t they iterate?
Even if it only would be stuff like cranking PoH numbers up. I´d still be mad that they don´t adress our problems and don´t communicate but at least something would happen.
This doing and communicating nothing, while the spec is far from being in a good state, drives me insane. (Holypriestmain, obviously, and i don´t twink).
Guess i´ll quote Ian again: #PriestsDeserveBetter
Would be funny, how long ago that quote is and how minor happened for us since then, if it wouldn´t be so sad.
The PTR’s been down since yesterday so hopefully we’ll see a new build today. They just need to tweak the bottom of the tree and I’ll be satisfied with everything.
A Priest general tree and Shadow rework should be pushed into 11.1.5 if anything due to time constraints. We just need root removal and better mobility without going Dracthyr.