I have led a lot of raids over the years, and I personally do not remove anyone for any reason–except in very rare cases (but I wont go into that). I do however usually ask that people put stuff up for rolls if they don’t need it. Just because I don’t remove people for stuff doesn’t mean I am always happy about “stuff” that happens, or when there is some drama that develops.
Honestly, as raid leader, I try to invite people who are fit for the job, and whom I judge as being ones who are smart enough to sidestep drama and inconveniences.
What attitude is that? A guy rage quit. I didn’t call him a hero for doing that!! I just wish that did not happen. Rage quitting is rampant, as far as I’m concerned, and I have often wondered how to stop it.
the attitude that you get to decide what other people do with their drops.
if people “rage quit” because of loot, the best way to stop that from happening, would be to help people learn that the loot isn’t theirs until it’s in their bags.
…but apparently that’s an extremely hard lesson to teach.
Oh, I don’t decide anything. I just hate seeing drama, and wonder how to stop it.
As I have said above, I have led a ton of raids, and I usually ask that people put unneeded stuff up for rolls. Nobody has ever ever ever had a problem with that. Hence, I think it is a solid way to avoid problems with people who might feel they have somehow been handed a kick to the head.
I’m not going to tell you or anyone to do anything. But if you mess up my raid, I will surely take note and think twice about inviting you again–whether or not it was you that rage quit, or someone felt you jacked gear that could have been theirs or whatever.
The bottom line though is, like I have said above, and as any leadership minded person will recognize, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Well, honestly, I think you are good to do that, but I don’t do it that way. If someone messages me and I don’t need the gear I simply put the item up for rolls and announce it.
My thinking on this is this: A. It minimizes the risk of drama. B. In some pugs/groups I have joined I have seen nobody rolling on anything and that’s because people are giving others stuff without rolls. Hence my chances of getting gear are not optimal because I don’t always have time to whisper Tom, Dick, and Harry. And in the end, if I have something else to do, I will simply hit the road.
This doesn’t mean you or anyone should do as I do. But I doubt I am way smarter than the next guy, so I am likely not the only one to think this way. If I recognize that rolls are not going on–or seemingly a lot less than usual, it is a pretty firm reason in my mind to start the wheels turning and thinking of other things I could do with my time.
What does that mean to you? Well, it means people leave your raid. Then it is possible, or even probable people will need to be replaced. And if you don’t have a warlock, well, it can mean a long wait.
There are lots of reasons people leave raids, but I doubt there is widespread awareness of all the reasons–especially among those newer to the game.
In my case, I enjoy healing keys a lot, so I can (and will) leave a raid in favor of a key on a dime.
Is posting it for a roll a hassle, you think? Is it just easier to quickly pass it to the first who asks for it?
(Translation to healers: Don’t worry about topping up others after a boss is down. Don’t rez anyone. Heck, dont even take a second to loot the boss–as there is a race now to message the girl/guy who got gear. Who cares if anyone has to run back. Stop everything and quickly message. Hurry… The one who has the loot you need… And to those who died: Dont worry, just message the girl/guy who got the gear you need and let all else go. Release and get the gear from him/her in your bag even if it might be a duplicate of what you get in the mail. Heck, you can vendor the duplicate for some gold).
Okay, I think I am now clear on the whole not rolling thing. Forget about rolling on gear. The thing to do is to race to message the girl/guy with the loot at all costs. Gotcha.
Admittedly, this seems silly but it looks like what you need to do now–those who would otherwise rage quit. There you go.
One thing: If you ask twice be aware that you are saying you feel entitled to the gear and that the person you ask may simply disenchant the gear in your face to tell you to back off–in which case you ought to maybe leave and run a dungeon, do dailies, do a bg, or whatever. After all, there is no indication of any nice people in the group. Right. You can try pug raiding again tomorrow evening or whenever.
Disenchant gear on the spot if anyone asks for gear because they feel entitled to your drop. This will sting them so they dont ask again.
Be sure to race to type a nice message to the girl/guy with the loot. And don’t waste any time–don’t even loot the boss because if you get a duplicate, you can vendor one for gold. Maybe you need to macro a nice, very pleasant message so you win the race.
Be ready to get back at the girl/guy who gave the gear to someone else because they typed their message faster. Put them on ignore–that will work best. Then they can’t message you and they waste their time as you think of the nice gold you will get when you vendor the gear you dont need. Heck, put everyone but the raid leader on ignore. That will stop anyone who feels entitled to gear you dont need from wrecking your day.
Be spiteful and add to the toxicity. It is very invigorating.
simple its my drop i can do with it what i wish i can give it away make people roll or delete it. sure most of that is a dick move but so is begging for loot immediately after its looted.
Oh no. I am not trolling at all. My takeaway is I have been doing it all wrong. You guys have poked, prodded and drilled into me that asking people to roll for gear not needed is a problem. I am to think others feel entitled to gear I don’t need. If I give away my gear others will learn to feel entitled, and you dont want that.