Honestly I feel like a lot of upper PvE toxicity can be attributed to the whole parse attitude players have right now. Given a lot of players love to flex and emphasize how much damage they can and did do on a fight. Regardless of the fact that they either hard failed mechanics seeing as they face tanked a lot of it, which meant the healer had their extra work cut out for them. With the latter being greeding mechanics, and putting other team mates at risk, just so they can push some big number, yet risk ruining the fight or the key in the end.
This was at least my experience this week in keys, given a lot of DPS players simply did not, and refused to be more defensive in how they played. Which resulted in my key depleting numerous times, even though grievous is really easily dealt with if you play smart and defensively now.
For me personally I feel like parsing can be rather overrated, especially when PI exists and is pretty much the only way to parse right now. Along with from what I’ve experienced and seen, some of those parses came at a heavy cost, and seriously devalues them. Given the player either just about, or did throw the key, or resulted in killing a few players on a fight. Just so they could not move and parse the fight.
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It’s incredible how often people will ignore mechanics just to get a cast off because “parses”.
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Yup, I know its important to push DPS for fights, yet staying alive is far more important and won’t mean that just because you had to move or stop casting for a couple seconds. Is going to mean you fail the fight or key, its just the majority of it has turned into just existing to flex with.
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You can’t ignore mechanics in high keys, cause a lot of stuff will one-shot you or the entire group. People don’t care about parsing in m+, it’s all about the io. These people are probably just bad if they stand in stuff and don’t do mechanics.
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You’re right that stuff will one shot you, you’re also wrong about people not caring about parses in mythic+. In fact, dps parses for keys is a more valuable tool for selecting people than IO on 17 keys and higher. If you want to get into a group that runs key above 20, you better believe the only thing they’re going to look at is your parses, not your io score.
Attirude. I love it and will be using it way too much.
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I had a guy in my raiding guild last expansion. We were selling Mythic N’zoth mounts so we were always down 1-2 actual players in the fight and the guy would always try his hardest to parse. He would not die, and his damage was always very high (95th percentile or higher parsing). But we would wipe a lot. Hard to think that this guy had anything to do with it since it seems like he does really well.
He didn’t come for a couple weeks and we 1shot our sale run every time. Then he was there and we started wiping for around an hour every week again. Turns out he plays in such a greedy manner that it actually 'causes other people to have to make massive amounts of extra movement or just take extra damage due to him not wanting to miss a single global. That lowered everyone else’s damage dealing with him or just outright killed people since he’d make somewhat unpredictable movements. Swapped him out, one shot the boss.
He would also always brag about his DPS and how he’s carrying people.
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Are you on Tichondrius? Because I swear you are describing a dude we just kicked from our guild for doing the exact same thing.
I mean the description is spot on.
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Yeah I’m from Tich but definitely a different guild.
If you can ignore a mechanic without heavy consequences, then do it. More damage = boss dies faster.
No I don’t mean we were in the same guild I mean I think the guy you kicked from your guild in bfa is the same guy that we just kicked from my guild
Nah he’s still in the guild. Just sat him long enough to make him realize just 'cause his DPS is high doesn’t mean hes playing properly.
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Ahh gotcha, at least he realized he was in the wrong.
People parsing in M+ are dumb by definition.
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It used to be that 95th percentile was a big deal, but PI has made it so that 80+ is really solid because the top parses are saturated by artificial inflation via PI and add cleave that is counted into parses. Artificer Xy’mox is a good example, where people will intentionally hit Stasis Traps on heroic because the damage is counted.
Top parsing is boggus, it’s nothing but people being fed PI’s the entire boss fight
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Can one avoid the privacy weirdo invasion by not doing rated/mythic etc.? Best reason not to expose yourself to obsessive vultures.
In my view, there’s no amount of doing mechanics that will result in a green or lower parse. If your parses are sub-50, it probably just means you’re botching your rotation. But a high blue or purple parse is perfectly respectable, especially if you get unlucky and are stuck doing mechanics repeatedly. Can really suck, especially if you pop your CDs and then get forced to run around or whatever.
I hope that there aren’t people out there who think they’re expected to orange or pink or even purple parse every single time. I imagine you’re making the game less fun for yourself at that point, and definitely skimping on doing mechanics.
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I think parsing is misunderstood, overrated, and likely anti-teamwork oriented due to how it makes people pump too much and especially at the wrong times. I think it’s very likely people just want to emulate top guilds and don’t fully understand why they do the things they do.
Also “more dps” is the sad way to ensure a kill over doing mechanics right and is the lazy answer to more involved solutions. More dps is not the right answer in all situations where a boss kill could have happened. Becoming better players is the answer.
Sounds like that lfr guy who would burst like crazy in the first 30 secs then suicide, so he does not get kicked for low dps. 