So wtf is this?
How could you possibly think this is a good design or balanced?
Let Warrior’s Shield Wall with no shield. Spell reflect(when added) with no shield. Shield Bash with no shield.
I think we all know the answer but I will ask it anyway. Why the unbalanced state here?
You just listed talents and class abilities. AS is a rune, they’re trying to keep runes semi-agnostic to you aren’t funneled into the same set 3 per spec.
Ok. So Single-Minded Fury requires dual wield. Quick Strike requires a 2 hander.
DEVASTATE REQUIRES A SHIELD
So. What now?
By that design logic, why does Lava Lash for shaman require an off-hand, instead of enabling a 2Hance playstyle that actually offers another option for the spec?
The answer, as with most things paladins got this phase, is that there’s clearly more love from the top for them. Maybe that’ll be evened out over the next phases, but those phases aren’t here yet to base judgements off of.
Avenger’s shield DOES require a shield. You can, however, swap weapons in combat, do they can swap to a shield, fire it off, and then swap back to 2h
it’s a macro. we have the shield when we shoot the shield.
It’s a macro that I use for 2 skills
Macro1
/Equip shield
/Use avengers shield
Macro2
/Equip 2h weapon
/Use crusader strike (or whatever attack)
Which is literally something Warriors CANNOT DO. Swapping to a shield causes a global cooldown.
This means we have NO INTERRUPT in PvP for this phase and it mean Paladins get special treatment “just because”.
What the hell is this?
… Swapping shields for Paladin causes GCD, as well. That’s not a Warrior specific thing.
It does cause a GCD, one for the swap and 1 for the ability, warriors can do the same thing with stances and weapons, might need a /cast sequence macro but it’s doable, try it out when you want to use devistate and then a 2h weapon ability
Warriors get a rune to make charge, interrupt and intervene usable in combat, that’s a good interruption there, and shield bash, make a macro to swap to a shield and use shield bash, then macro another spell for a 2h weapon
Devastate requires defensive stance AND a shield. Your argument is invalid.
As someone who hasn’t played warrior in vanilla above like level 20 since TBC relesed in Jan 2007: Weren’t there macros for switching weapons and stances, then a second macro to pop Shield Bash, Last Stand, Shield Wall, etc., and then either a third one to swap back to your previous stance, or the first one could also swap you back?
Maybe it was during TBC, not vanilla, but I’m pretty sure I had macros as a warrior for swapping stance & weapon to use an ability that required Defensive Stance and/or a shield much quicker, then switching back to Battle/Zerk Stance with a 2h.
Ok so you need to switch stances and equip a shield, holy moly you need to do 2 things now, such a game breaker! It’s going to take at least 2 seconds!!! You can either adapt and learn how to do it, or don’t, the tools are here whether you use them or not is up to you
to add to all the other runes people are listing off.
rogues quick draw and between the eyes runes require you to have a gun, bow, or crossbow equipped and ammo for it in your bag to use them.
Stance dance macros were a thing in classic, they became a lot more popular though later on when spell reflect was a thing cause you would macro the stance, equipment swap, and spell reflect to instantly swap spell reflect then you hit another macro to go back.
In classic it was not as popular cause it was really only if you were fury tanking and would need to swap/shield wall quickly however it is a thing
#showtooltip Shield Wall
/equipslot [worn:two-hand] 16 Weapon name here
/eq [noworn:shield,nomod] Shield name here
/cast [nostance:2] Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Wall
Just remove the *
So then your macro is:
/cast Defensive Stance
/equip Your Shield
It’s actually kind of perfect for warriors if you have to switch stances first. The thing with swapping weapons/shields in combat is that as soon as you swap it resets the GCD from where ever it already was. If you have 0.1 sec left on it, then it resets to 1.5 seconds. If you still have 1.5 seconds left on it, then it also resets to 1.5 seconds. So if you swap immediately after using an ability you lose no additional time to GCD.
And then, you’ll want another macro to get your 2h back out.
/cast Devastate
/equip Your 2h
The devastate puts you on GCD, the swapping resets the GCD immediately. You lose no time. Only catch is that you must wait until the GCD is up before you hit the button or you swap before using your ability and reset the GCD with the wrong weapon out. Practice makes perfect. And try to figure out what the other class is doing before you try to get them nerfed.
Edit: actually maybe your devastate should be by itself, and macro battle stance in with your 2h since you’re probably going to want to switch to that again.
Edit2: actually, does changing stances even trigger a GCD? If not then macro the stance change and the weapon swap in with another ability that does trigger it.
For example:
/cast Hamstring
/cast Defensive Stance
/equip Your Shield
Then
/cast Devastate
/cast Battle Stance
/equip Your 2h
If stance doesn’t have a GCD then I think this works.
Edit 3: If you’re curious, this is what my macros are:
/cast Crusader Strike
/equip My Shield
/cast Avenger’s Shield
/equip My 2h
And of course I have macros to do just the swaps by themselves also. You don’t want a side effect all the time. Sometimes you just need to get your 2h back out.
It does require a shield… Warrior brain at work
This entire thread is goofy, and you’re the king of it all. The complaint has been dissected and there is nothing to see here. Move along. /Smdh
You don’t know how rage and stance changes work do you? Especially when you are at this low of a level and have so few talent points.
In their defense, by the time you react, swap, and shield bash, the ability you’re trying to interrupt is PROBABLY finished casting