Similarly to P2 enhance this hero class will go unnerfed for the entirety of the phase while other specs such as spriest, hunter, boomkin were quickly adjusted. I’m hearing from insiders that this was done to accommodate alliance who still have nightmares of P2 enhance shamans buzz sawing their entire bloodmoon group.
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What happened with enhancement in p2 was purely a coincidental result of poorly designing runes to allow shaman tanking and dw enhancement.
What has happened with ret has been intentionally designed over several phases.
Once shaman were gutted and pallys buffed they could then stipulate no more PvP based changes would be likely.
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its because the senior game producer Aggrend plays ret. Same reason it was buffed from S tier to S+ tier in ICC for 0 reason while other classes much further down the list got nothing.
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I don’t think it’s soley because a dev plays it, I think it’s an inherent issue with the Paladin filling a “Main Character” fantasy, but in an MMO (Especially one like Vanilla) that doesn’t work.
It results in these crazy takes where Pallys are both posting videos of 1v10ing swarms of Horde, then saying they need to be buffed.
In a PvP meta of one shots, the person that has multiple invulnerabilities they can free move and attack during should not be the one with the highest and most consistent burst
It really is wild how out of control Pally has gotten, next phase it’s looking even crazier, that’s even before looking at Ashbringer.
To add to this “Main character” issue, Aggrend even responed on Bluesky to someone concerned that there are too many paladins for everyone to get Ashbringer, and he said to hang tight for a solution. AKA they are continuing to make paladins all be the main character.
This isn’t just an issue on SoD, it’s every Classic+ PServer, too.
- Paladin is horrendous in Vanilla so a lot of players see it as their only chance to do it
- They end up OP as hell because it usually ends up being like 60% of Alliance. Out in the open world it’s more like 75% (Pally is their safest open world character)
- Nerfing it nerfs 60-75% of their players, so it stays broken.
I would care less, but Shaman is in a pretty awful state in comparison (I don’t think Alliance even want to consider it, but aside from Sham tank, which isn’t even fun, Shaman is a disaster of a class design-wise in SoD). Was really hoping for P8 Sham/Pally just so Alliance could see that Shaman is not some sort of 1 to 1 with Paladin, not even close, just comparable at tanking.
If Shaman was actually equally busted in as many specs I wouldn’t care tbh
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Here comes my hot-take: Paladins are supposed to be strong to equalize against Hordes strictly better racials.
even if that were the case, the tangible result of resisting a few stuns or whatever racial you want to compare on the horde side (not even putting alliance racials and their own effect into this) to the large % of players playing paladins is uneven and leaning towards the alliance side heavily.
Ret pallies arent OP…they just suddenly all became skilled this last phase.
Its just a crazy coincidence.
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And yet I bet Horde have queue times and Alliance don’t.
which doesnt matter in this discussion and doesnt counter my point .
Makes complete sense.
Orcs have increased chance to resist stuns…so lets let pallies be able to 1-2 shot everything.
Completely balanced… 
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It does.
It says the Horde are still tilted towards even with Paladins existing because they just keep queuing anyways.
You guys are aware boomkins still exist right. Hitting people for nearly 4k from 30yds
Also if you ever see abralan post anything at all just ignore it. The guy broke his brain in wrath and is still recovering.
I’ve never had a queue and I’m horde. Most of CS is just paladins running around globaling people in EPL lol
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heh youre saying because of queues (which have nothing to do or any effect on balance) somehow proves that horde are somehow having the power over alliance and it somehow counters my point .
it doesnt.
the fact is while horde racials are “better” for pvp (though most of them are not by much when compared to alliance racials which i would be for buffing them) doesnt make pallies being so op to try and balance something that isnt massive in the larger scale of everything.
its a stupid point and i expect better of you cause i know youre capable of it.
Boomies were a p6 and p7 problem. Rets are the new boomies after the seal twist shoulder rune got added. SoD PvP balance is in the pits of hell now so it’s irrelevant but there is no doubt they are the new tank shaman levels of OP.
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My honest opinion is that Shaman ruined PvP in phase 3 to the point it doesn’t matter anymore.
Maybe once the raids are over Blizzard can start doing PvP tuning but I would hate to see Pallies nerfed to placate the few folks playing a currently dead PvP mode.
pallies have been op in p1 p5-7 at least.
shaman have been op on p2-3 and 5-7 . even in their op phases like 5-7 (tank shaman) have had clear weaknesses .
the shaman craziness is silly.
They blew up the PvP scene. Big part of why P3 failed so hard.
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You know I love you sir but this is silly, you know that. A class being OP in PvP doesn’t justify one of the most broken things in PvP we have ever seen in WoW.
It also furthers the point that Paladin really is broken when you justify it with other previously broken things having had existed before.
What’s funny is even Mass Dispel and Shattering Throw aren’t enough to fix this issue, it’s actually so insane of a problem that I don’t think there really is a practical fix here. Paladin is not only the highest burst in the game, it’s also extremely high sustained, has multiple instant cast zero setup long CCs (One is even a stun).
I’ve seen the videos, a good Paladin can wipe entire groups of people, meanwhile the Paladin has 2 extra lives they don’t even need to use but can if needed.
None of this should be defended by anyone. I’m someone that thinks Enraged Regen needs a nerf (It’s my ability, I’m saying it’s unfair). I can’t imagine the mental gymnastic Pallys are doing to convince themselves that not only are they not OP, they’ve convinced themselves that the 1v5s they do are just because they’re really good at the game.
It’s brain rot
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heh its funny .
shaman back in p2- p3 that were enhance were doing less burst by comparision to pallies currently and had less tools to get to a target than pallies currently have and somehow they were the most op thing ever.
really makes you think.
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