You (1) can’t read logs, because ret hasn’t been anywhere near the top, and (2) your other dps must be really bad.
Ret is and has solidly been in the middle plus or minus. They aren’t broken at the bottom anymore than any other class when someone who plays mildly well with a bunch of people who don’t play well at all.
Gap closer all of our abilities are ranged we have 2 pony charges and freedom what more do you want heroic leap and charge? Like tf are you on about final verdict is my second hardest hitting ability maybe you just dont know how to play the class only real thing ret needs at this point would be heal cut on maybe a finisher or hammer of wrath or possibly judgement
Yea… just viewed your profile 532 ilvl almost full greens with terrible stat weights no wonder
He also hasn’t even done LFR, a single key, doesn’t pvp… But knows all about the class 
It’s a little bit over tuned but mostly ridiculously easy, making you look better than you are.
Exactly my thought!
Got my prot warrior to 2.8k then leveled a prot pally, now surpassing the warrior score.
Pally beats warrior in every aspect, its just too fun that i rarely play my warrior anymore.
My thought exactly dudes mad cause bad if you want to post on forums complaining about a class at least be geared and have done content ngl the charge from fyr’alath was fun on pallies though
I think ret pally got more popular after the melee range nerf. Ret is like the only melee that can dps without gluing to the the mobs butt in every pull.
Unholy DK has entered the chat.
FV being ranged is actually a fools game. FV itself don’t do allot of damage, it’s paired with EL/DA is where it’s damage actually does well. And they both need to be in melee to be used effectively. Templar’s hammer of light is also melee. CS/TS is also melee, with TS doing more damage then FV.
pony don’t come with any protections from snares/roots/other cc, freedom can be dispelled and spell stolen. there is a reason why other melee classes have INSTANT gap closers along with movement increase skills. The type of gap closer don’t matter really, but our lore characters do tend to leap around allot. Some paladin prefer a type of teleport how ever.
It’s spammable due to our high HP generation. itself alone don’t do enough to get the kill.
Paladins having an MS is like rogues getting a cast timer heal to use on other players. It don’t fit us thematically.
Here comes the trolls!
It’s not a thing, like, take that out of your head.
You’re not playing DND.
You’re hung up on a classic/TBC/Wrath philosophy.
All specs need to do X amount of throughput to be able to clear the hardest content.
Therefor all specs are balanced to do X regardless.
Hybrid tax is not a thing anymore because it was even harder to balance, there’s no formula to establish what X DPS is worth in HPS or in utility spells and how often you get to use them.
It would be madness to balance and they already struggle as it is.
Now classes can be wildly different in terms of utility and its fair to point out where some of them are weaker.
But that’s it, no DPS spec have its DPS balanced around its utility or healing capacities.
Leaving aside the fact they aren’t.
Blizzard do not balance the specs with LFR or Normal in mind, nor should they.
You remind me of a dude who came on these forum back in late S1 of Dragonflight, complaining that a fully mythic geared Ret was able to solo an LFR boss from the 50% mark.
Like… it’s LFR, its made for bad players to be able to down it.
He has before, long ago, just not current content.
I don’t agree with all of what he says but many of those things aren’t without merit.
Beside, observation is a valid avenue to assess conceptual flaws/improvements.
All the things he said can either be derived from data, are personal preferences or both.
Are you gonna tell me I don’t meet the “criteria’s” to “complain”?
He has over 9k post, you have less than 80.
He’s been around, it’s not a 1 post level 10 troll.
If he was talking about tuning versus the content I’d tend take that with huge grain of salt but that’s not really what he does.
Are you a ret main? I am gonna assume you are not. The spec is performing well in pve and below average in pvp. It is 100% playable I guess but that is not what many paladins here are asking. No we dont want a 20% buff across de board
The spec has some rather questionable issues that go beyind viability. And many here will disagree with what needs to be changed but most hardcore ret mains agree changes are needed
Changes regarding the specs playstyle (spammy vs slow hard hitting), its quite considerable ranged gameplay vs melee enjoyers, auto talents vs manually pressing your skills… and many more
You could say these are more “first world country” issues since the main one (viability) is basically solved but we want the spec to be fun too not just “viable”
My Ret is amazing and I love playing him, he’s A+ currently imo. I don’t know what you’re on about lol. You have no reason to be complaining, Ret had gotten so many buffs and talent reworks idk why you guys keep wanting more 
I wasn’t complaining.
I’m telling you that the way you think about hybrids is wrong.
Blizzard doesn’t balance like that anymore and it is demonstrable.
Saying X shouldn’t do as much damage because they can heal or do X other thing that has nothing to do with damage is not how it works.
You’re misinformed, either you’ve been playing since vanilla where it was genuinely a thing or you picked that off from someone who doesn’t have a clue but the fact remains, they don’t balance like that.
It’s not about liking or disliking Ret.
If you’re role is DPS, your DPS is balanced with your role, not with what extra stuff the class can do.
Same goes for healers.
Healers don’t get to have less healings than other healers because they can dish out marginally more damage.
Same goes for tank
They don’t make tanks deliberately weaker at tanking because they can do more damage than other, they all need to soak up similar amount of damage because the encounters are made to be achievable by all tanks.
I’d even argue that the “hybrid tax” was only ever a thing for paladins because Blizzard had 3 people in their development team from classic that actively hated paladin.
Ghostcrawler, Jeff Kaplan and a 3rd one I never remember his name but he was fired after the abuse scandal.
Wow you dont understand a thing.
Divine Arbiter’s radius is centered on the target, not the player.
While true, he didn’t say it wasn’t, he said you need to be in melee to use it optimally which is true because CSAA/TS gives you stacks and you need to be in melee to use them.
EL also require to be at least within the AoE range of Divine Storm which is 8yd I believe?
I feel that im Ret main 8/8 heroic and i feel ret or at least my Ret is performing very well no issues normally top 2-3 dps in raid sometimes 1st just depends on if we have someone 10 ilvl above me or not XD sounds like these pally need buff babies just arnt good at positioning for max uptimes while others seem to just be talking in a pvp setting hench spell steal on freedom. If you dont do the content and are not geared just keep your opinions to yourself cause you dont know what your talking about
Hp generation overcapping is 100% your own fault LOL
ITS BECAUSE ITS THE EASIEST CLASS DUDE. PROT and HPAL are quite literally the hard parts about them.
However ret? Stack Mastery and HASTE then BAM top DPS.