I am tanking as a warrior and have struggled to find any benefit for paladin tanks i find they are just average okay for offtanking but to be honest if any raid o have been in has struggled it’s when we have had paladin tanks main tanking now I can be a little bias because I’m that super geared warrior tank has def cap a mountain of HP and finds my life easy while I spank n tank raids but I’ve had arguments with paladins on raids and why they make healing life hard, honestly when I raided icc as a Paladin tank it was easy but again just like in tbc unfortunately paladins will be offtanking to me, they are just one hit pony’s right now that risk getting one clapped or causing mana issues for your healers. Give me a druid or a dk offtank any day of the week but can you all reroll until icc please lol
Well, keep in mind that Paladins and Warriors are block tanks, while Druids and DKs are soak tanks. So, while they have somewhat different toolkits, block tanks shine when they are taking smaller damage from multiple targets concurrently, since they are able to mitigate part of the damage from each physical hit, from each target.
Soak tanks tend to have larger health pools and are generally better at single-target than AoE tanking.
If you drill down into each individual tank class’s toolkit, you’ll find other benefits, for example DKs are probably the best at regulating their threat generated, and being able to easily maintain 2nd highest threat for a fight like Patchwerk, due to how Icy Touch works.
I don’t disagree but try telling a dk tank he’s just a soaker or an offtank try telling a druid yo you play second fiddle to me im the big boy they just don’t like it and in my opinion I have struggled with paladins too because when I do say hey I’ll offtank and let you main tank mr pally I seem to find paladins that FK around with the def caps or just don’t know what the hell they are doing. Let’s be real warriors are a safe bet right now idc what anyone says feels I’m just over tanking with paladins on general paladin warr composition doesn’t work and I guess I need to limit my warrior tanky to finding players that know there place as an offtank son
Block tanks typically do a better job of offtanking (if by off-tank, you mean tanking adds, rather than the boss). But main-tank/off-tank is a social construct 
Im old school bro and when I mean main tank anything that’s a boss and hurts I’m responsible I have the big shield wall and the highest block rating in the game of course my weakness is spell damage, while tanking adds man idc I’ll tank whatever but I constantly see issues with paladins in general find me a healer that hasnt had issues with keeping a Paladin alive I feel they need to be overgeared to be reliable
Well, I don’t think you’re wrong.
Warriors have a really strong block tank toolkit. And DKs have a very strong soak tank toolkit.
Paladins and druids have quite decent toolkits for both, but it’s also kind of like a proc trinket vs an on-use trinket; you have more control with a warrior/dk. You have Shield Block for example as a warrior, which is a hugely impactful skill, while DKs have AMS, Death Strike, and Blood Tap which give a lot of utility/mitigation.
Druids as soak tanks have a much simpler tanking toolkit than DKs, and Paladins as block tanks have a much simpler tanking toolkit than Warriors. However, as hybrids with healing trees available, they also offer some utility that Warriors and DKs simply don’t, like innervate, various heals and dispels/decurses, etc. (BoP, Blessing of Sacrifice, and so on) can vary in importance based on group composition.
I feel safe when I tank, I don’t feel safe with a pally main tanking if anyone else has had similar issues I want to know let’s chat further I’m wondering if my stomach and feeling about what I’m seeing in raids at the moment isn’t just me, I’m very mature about it and I’ve been raiding now since I was 17, 34 now I just feel that I’ve had some embarrassing wipes with paladins on the boss and always struggled to find out why, multiple times we have had paladins tank sarth and get smashed or main tanking patch down to 15 percent and randomly get pooped on because they haven’t got cds up or fail to ask a priest for pain support its just a feeling I just want to know more if others are seeing what I’m seeing in compared to what the new meta recommends us to have paladin tanks as our mt over warriors
It’s quite possible, but honestly, any tank can main tank and you shouldn’t have trouble with current content.
But, you’re listening to people who are listening to other people who are talking about experiences they’ve had on private servers. Considering that 100% of the server-side (backend) codebase is different on private servers from that on Blizzard servers, this doesn’t make any sense.
The backend codebase is responsible for all spell/talent/ability behavior, boss behavior, etc.
Not when I’m mt I’ve had more positive success but it’s when I’ve gone okay I’ll step back we got two paladins here to do the tanking and suddenly wtf paladin on the floor again lol I think you run that risk of procs and timing with paladin tanks if you do mt with them it’s always a die by the sword moment see what I did there lmfao good chatting with you lad
We’re not disagreeing. You’re saying that you’ve had experiences where the paladins you’re playing with aren’t doing as well as you are as a warrior.
I’m saying that any tank class can tank any of our current content. But I’m not (at least not intending to) say that anyone playing any tank class in any gear is going to perform as well as anyone else.
I’m not listening at all I deliberately play a BM hunter to tell others I can do better then the meta I play a prot warrior because I know it’s a safe bet I hate people that tell me the meta is better I’ll wipe my bum with chilli before I listen to guilds or raid leaders tell me to reroll survival because the meta says I should or play a prot pally because the meta says I should lol it’s a bunch of balls
And this is noteworthy.
People said that Prot Pally was the tanking meta for Wrath, so it makes sense that those who had no experience tanking but wanted to tank in Wrath would roll paladins.
They also said that Prot War would be the worst tank in Wrath. So it also makes sense that people who particularly liked the warrior tanking toolkit would ignore what “they” said (i.e. experienced tanks).
This also seems to fit with your experience of finding that the paladin tanks you are grouping with are not good tanks. However, it doesn’t necessarily suggest that the Paladin tanking toolkit is bad, nor that Paladin Tanks aren’t better than Warrior tanks on paper.
I absolutely think you nailed it 100 percent I couldn’t get the words out
Warriors are the best main tanks by a mile in current content. It doesn’t even come close. The ability to make huge pulls frequently thanks to shield block, combined with incredible snap aggro (which can be used while moving, unlike DK/paladin aggro) is unbeatable.
The paladin niche will become more apparent when you’re pushing hard modes with mechanics that actually threaten to kill your tank in one shot… but currently, the only raid boss like that is Sartharion with all 3 drakes up. And even in that situation, warrior is still the best tank for the drakes. The drake tank is the more difficult job. Boss tank just stands in one spot for the whole fight, only moving slightly for the lava wave.
What you’re describing is trash tank.
Also, for what it’s worth DK snap-aggro can be used while moving. For single target, there’s no comparison… for AoE warriors do better for mitigating physical incoming dmg, and only druids and warriors have an AoE taunt (with Paladins having a multiple target taunt. DKs do not).
Current raid bosses are basically trash mobs.
Also, for what it’s worth DK snap-aggro can be used while moving.
DK’s don’t have any snap aggro for multiple targets… which is kinda the point. You can’t tank trash while moving. Single target standing still only.
Current raid bosses are single target, while trash is AoE.
Blood Boil, Death and Decay… and depending on content, Howling Blast…
I guess you haven’t spent much time playing or looking into DK tanking.
Plenty of bosses have multiple targets.
My preferred setup would be to have a DK grab the single target while the warrior grabs everything else. Then DK swaps to unholy for one tank fights.
For example?
That’s fine, and that can work, but it also depends a lot on the rest of your raid comp, and whether you have other warriors/dks.
Blood boil hits like a wet noodle without diseases. It’s not comparable to warrior snap aggro, which requires no setup.
DnD is a DoT. It’s DEFINITELY not snap aggro, and you also can’t use it while moving. It sits in one place and doesn’t move.
Howling blast requires you to forfeit your main advantage as a tank (Will of the Necropolis).