Tried paladin tanking , its far easier than warrior but how do i taunt ? i find SoR judgement dont work.
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You can’t, you have to hyper front-load your threat and make sure salvation is on everyone but your healer no matter what they want.
What is your spec? Also, are you pulling with bombs?
Your dps must cooperate.
Edit: use blessing of protection as an “anti-taunt.” Do you have it talented? Do you have improved seal of righteousness talented?
Yes, and now I’m starting to see the impatient dps everyone is complaining about.
The paladin tank has nothing more than a judgement and consecration for the first 10 secs or so (except for undead).
Before even one tick of consecration, I frequently see the Dps going all out on all mobs.
It’s no wonder paladin tanks keep on losing aggro.
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Give them a heartbeat or two and the mobs generally stick. If it’s a Mage, the snare is enough that it’s not a problem. They also have more tools than that at higher levels.
Yeah, your dps just needs to learn how to chill out a bit, since a large portion of your threat comes from being attacked.
Paladins have amazing AoE threat gen, but their single target can be rather weak, especially without a taunt for snap threat.
The good news? Most classes can tank a singular mob. So long as you are holding most of the pack, you are generally still doing your job.
The dps will chill as soon as they start pulling things that kill them.
It’s not just paladin tanks losing agro. Hell, I get DPS unloading before I do anything while I’m tanking.
If I’m running as DPS (feral, or ret) I always do a 5 count before I start in, and I try to grab the target the tank’s working on.
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My bro is a Paladin does 400 to 600 aoe damage.
About 300 single target never loses aggro on first consecration.
Next question what your gear?
Talents?
I don’t see my bro Paladin ever lose aggro until someone taunts.
In dungeons he pulls 3 to 5 packs of adds never goes oom.
1st or 2 nd On damage meter.
Single target samething. He is pumping out 300dps. He is only in blues.
The adds out of 8 mobs did total of 30 dmg.
The healer was then just aoe to dps or just dps.
In Mc the warrior taunts off constantly when he pulls.
In my opinion watching a good Paladin tank is pretty amazing.
Lol, just don’t.
No one will wait the 30 seconds between every pull for you to mana up, they won’t wait the ten seconds each time combat starts for your threat to be high enough to not instantly lose agro, and then theres crits…that will result in a loss of agro no matter what.
Credit where its due to an extent, at least you’re realising that the lack of a taunt is a huge issue.
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Out of curiosity, what Aura are you using?
i got 11 in holy for consecration , the rest in prot
im still lv 29 so theres some i dont have like blessing of sanctuary.
i use retribution aura and consecration to get AoE damage , i use Hammer of justice to stop mob that run toward healer , judge SoR immediately and it that didnt work i put shield on my healer so she is safe at least 6 sec
as for dps that got threat from mob i just judge SoR on thr mob and if that didnt work well dps have threat dumping skill so they should be able to lose threat.
I’ve generally had no trouble with it (even when specced Ret).
I mostly run into issue on mobs/bosses that drop threat, like Krastinov in Scholomance. Other than that, there really is no issue.
ive never seen a war keep a mob dps is tryin to pull so dont freak out when they do the same stuff to you as a tankadin. if they want to tank it, let them. if heals dont want to heal them they will get the hint.
top end your TPS, dont bother salving the party ( whats the point of having a paladin if your only buffing to make your job slightly easier) sanctuary on you, judge with seals for single target tps, hit with WIS to keep mana up. rinse, repeat… you should drink less than your healer and mages.
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Paladins heal in vanilla, I am sorry but that is your role, you can try all day and all night to make a round peg fit into a square hole, but blizzard didn’t make paladins an on par tank until Wrath of the Lich king. They were niche tanks that could, if you put more effort and strain on your raid tank in TBC outside of AOE pulls.
If you want to tank, play a warrior or druid. The spec, gear, talent sets for paladins, do not exist in vanilla. The best you are going to be able to do as a paladin tank, is be the guy that sometimes gets hit and takes more damage, generates less threat, and has to drink after every pull, and that is good because your healer will probably need to also.
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Paladins are fine for 5 mans, and in the undead ones are probably better than Warriors. In TBC they are hands down the best AOE tank. By the time TBC was done they were just fine to tank about anything except maybe Sunwell, and I don’t know there because I never did get that far. Certainly knew more than my fair share that were tanking Illidan.
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A good warrior tank will out preform a paladin in AOE tanking also, I have no issue with it, most DPS I run with are surprised when they can AOE in dungeons, Blizzard designed almost every pull with warriors in mind. The only pulls that have more mobs than a warrior can generally handle normally, only have 3 elites in them Stratholme is a good example. The non-elites stay on the warrior long enough for the DPS to handle it, the elites are what you should be focused on, as a tank.
And the mobs don’t really one shot anyone, so a dps can take a hit or two. As long as they run the mob into your conscecration, you should be golden.
Also, it is on a long cool-down, but you can target the mob that you lost and cast Blessing of Protection on the target’s target. That should drop that person on the threat table temporarily and pong the mob back to you.
You don’t have a taunt, so you have to just hope DPS dont pull aggro. I don’t think you have salv yet but when you get that it will help, as well as imp righteous fury. If you’re in an instance with lots of undead, exorcism helps tremendously. I use that as a faux taunt if threat gets pulled, and it’s also a great ability for pulling packs to LOS.
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Also, get a shield spike if you don’t already have one. It’s not much, but every little bit helps for threat.
In an undead 5 man I seriously doubt it, in the rest you may be right, by the time TBC rolled around though it wasn’t even close.