Possible the OP doesn’t but I’m definitely familiar enough to make design decisions and the OP has a good point, which I have highlighted.
I don’t believe it is fine. Avenger shield is a Prot exclusive ability and it’s highest damage ability. Anyone having it for free is perhaps an oversight.
This is how it’s worked with warriors since the beginning. No reason to change it for paladins now.
THIS
Pallies were LOLRET for 15 years and no one cared.
Pallies couldn’t tank, they couldn’t DPS, they could only heal the tank and buff.
Now they are useful and the TEARS taste SO SWEET!!!
Ya you have to watch out for them lv. 64 warrior in classic era
When in combat, switching to sword & board applies the GCD of 1.5 seconds to shield bash and many other abilities, which renders it effectively useless against most spells. THE MORE YOU KNOW
Wrong. Sorry bud, “its a thing for warriors because its been in classic it should be a thing for paladin cause it just got added” doesn’t hold water. Faulty argument.
You’re right. Paladins should have to be in Defensive Stance, or Battle Stance to use it… 
Then you listened to nothing I said. I was listing facts and it creates a very sound discussion on why it should be changed. Of course Paladin’s should be able to swap shields but that isn’t the topic. Should they be able to swap shields to use Avenger Shield which is an exclusive Prot high damage Aoe ability? Probably not. It should be on a 30 sec CD or be for only Prot.
I’ve explained it for you to read. You aren’t making any sound points as they have been disproven.
Lets take this further and create an equal comparison. Lets say they add a Warrior rune Shockwave. Which is an exclusive Prot War high damage AOE stun. It requires a shield to use. Would it be okay for Warriors to swap to a shield to use this instantly? The answer is no.
If you want to make fair comparisons, then make fair comparisons. With that said a shockwave rune would be dope but it should only be for Prot/Glad. Just like Avenger shield should be.
If you’re gonna start gating abilities based on them being exclusive to certain specs in later expansions then they pretty much have to rework the ENTIRE rune system
Most of the runes are abilities that were exclusive to certain specs.
its SOD they have been adding in TBC skills its highly likely spell reflect makes it in for a warrior rune
They also been adding in Wrath and other expansion skills. They are adding in Glad stance which is from WoD. Spell reflect will likely be here.
You aren’t making a point with that video.
…it is literally designed into the game as a macro command.
You’ve stated one fact ‘Shield swap has always been done for utility’ everything else you’ve said is an opinion. Listing facts requires multiple facts to be listed. Saying Avengers Shield is an exclusive Prot ability with ‘high aoe dmg’ is not a sound argument especially in SoD.
Every class and every spec for every class has access to abilities their spec would have otherwise not have had in Classic. You can completely reverse your argument for Avengers shield on Ret with Divine Storm on Prot. It massively increases the damage and threat a Prot pally can generate and doesn’t require a swap at all.
Shockwave is not an equal comparison as it’s actually ‘aoe’ and hits all targets. Just in case you weren’t aware Avengers Shield is not aoe. Shield swapping for Shockwave would also put it on GCD so you would not be able to use it instantly. Regardless of your fallacy I do think Shockwave would be a fantastic addition to the available runes usable in the same way Avengers Shield is.
Season of Discovery is not Classic Vanila nor is it Retail or any other expansion. As for the OPs original post, swapping weapons for Avengers Shield does trigger the GCD as well as having a 30 second cooldown after being casted. We’re 25 out of 60 levels through SoD class balance will likely fluctuate for every phase. Knowing Blizzard I doubt Hybrid classes, Ret & Feral specifically, will be performing at the same level when we get to phase 4.
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It isn’t an argument. It’s a fact. It’s a deep Prot talent.
It’s not the same because for Prot it does significantly less damage because you are Prot. Where a Ret gets the full AOE damage from Avenger Shield.
It actually is an equal comparison. Shockwave and Avenger shield are 2 Iconic deep Prot abilities that provide High damage and Utility to multiple targets. It’s apples to apples. Which is why I listed it to prove a point.
Yea Shockwave would be cool but no, it should be for Prot. Or if you swap to a shield it should put it on a 30 sec CD like any other on use ability.
With all the new runes added in the new phases probably not. There will be new hybrids and hope Glad stance warrior is owning it up.
Please point me to where Avengers Shield is an aoe ability, second it’s not a talent from classic. Semantics are Semantics. We’re playing on 1.15 Avengers Shield was not added as a talent until 2.0.1. In SoD Avengers Shield is not a deep Prot talent and should not be treated as such. Talents have been changed with every expansion. To create a second argument against Avengers Shield being a “deep Prot talent” you get it level 10 as an ability in Cata not a talent. More recently as a third argument against this, in Dragon Flight it was changed to a row 1 talent. Clearly Blizzard doesn’t intend for this to be a “deep Prot talent”. It is your opinion that in SoD Avenger’s shield should be treated as a deep prot talent.
“It’s not the same because for Prot it does significantly less damage because you are Prot. Where a Ret gets the full AOE damage from Avenger Shield.”
This is just false idk what else to say
Lastly, just because something is ionic does not mean you can draw fair comparisons between them. They’re two different abilities that function differently. Example Shockwave has a much higher damage output capability because its AOE and Avengers shield is not. Avenger’s shield is a ranged ability with 30 yard cast distance that requires you to have a target. Shockwave is a 10 yard cone AOE ability that does not require a target. Shockwave stuns, Avengers Shield slows. Idk how else to call the apple orange
Warriors do suffer a GCD swapping to a shield. You cannot just macro it in and shield bash without waiting for the GCD. Where the hell are people getting this idea from?
divine storm should cause forbearance change my mind
Which is…exactly the same as Avenger’s shield. If you’re going to macro it you have to fire off the macro twice, just like shield bash.
My words: “should trigger the cooldown of the skill” How is that unclear? If you struggle with reading comprehension that much you probably shouldn’t be posting on a forum.
how 'bout we meet in the middle, when equipping a shield or another weapon you drop to 0 mana. However, you can talent lets call it “stance mastery for the dress wearers” and every point in it makes you only drop to 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. sounds fair to me