Paladin Reckoning : A New How-To

Hello Fellow Reckodins,

Prepare for a long read…

I’ve recently tried to flush out what works and what doesn’t in the current version of Reckbombing, after all the “fixes”. I can tell you that Reckbombing is working relatively well, but the key is to knowing how to manage your stacks and being in full control of your auto attacking. In Vanilla, we did have to manage our Auto attacks to a certain extent to release ReckBombs. In this current version, it feels like additional management is necessary. Please observe…

If your auto attack is on, and you get Reck stacks, that stack is somehow associated to the enemy you have targeted. If at any point you lose sight of that target (swapping targets, cancelling target, target vanishes, etc), your stacks are gone. This is probably the majority of the issue of losing stacks, because in the middle of intense fights, you’re not used to turning off your Auto Attack before swapping targets. But if you keep your auto attack off while gaining stacks, you can swap between targets freely, and then turn on auto attack the moment you want to unleash the bomb. You have to change your mindset to completely control your auto attack every step of the way.

I don’t recall it being this difficult back in the day, and this may still be considered a bug, but regardless, this is what needs to be done to fully utilize reckbombs today. I’ve created a video over the weekend just to show Reckbombs in AV, and that we can still control it for the most part. It has no production quality, just snippets of bombs and examples of what still works and what is keeping stacks. Had to do it quick because I’m busy trying to rank, so please forgive the poor quality. Also, if it looks like I’m being slow to respond to some battles, it’s because I only started practicing my new button setups for this on Thursday, and recorded most of the content on Saturday. I’m also being rather reckless and selfish because I’m just trying to engage and get as many reck stack opportunities as I can to create these examples. Not a true sample of how an effective Paladin should be played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-q9SIhhIIA

Here is a breakdown of the points for parts of the video.

0:08 - 0:58 = Various Reckbombing
1:00 - 1:23 = Healing doesn’t lose stacks
1:24 - 2:36 = Various examples of not losing stacks when swapping targets
2:37 - 3:55 = More target swapping against Rogues & stunlocks
3:56 - 4:11 = Can still gain stacks while mounted, and bomb after dismount.

If what you see peaks your interest, then I’ll explain what I’ve done to make it all happen. First and foremost, I had to keybind the AutoAttack. If you’ve reckbombed before, you probably should already have this done. But, this is not a start/stop macro. This is just the Auto Attack from your spell book. If you notice in my videos, I also intentionally put a large Auto Attack icon right under my character, where I’ve keybinded it to one of my mouse buttons for easy/quick access. This in-my-face icon gives me a quick visual indicator of when my autoattack is on/off, because it matters that much.

Next, I also bound a key to “Target-Self’. This is because, in some cases, I found that being stunned I wasn’t able to turn off my auto-attack by pressing it again. I was only able to turn if off by clicking away, and off from my target. This is obviously messy when there’s a lot of targets around you. So a quick Target-Self will target me and turn off Auto Attack. ONLY Do this if you plan on potentially swapping targets. If you plan on sticking to your target, no need to do this.

For example, I’m chasing a Mage and a rogue(s) stuns me. I’m thinking ahead and figured I’m not likely to catch the Mage before I die, so I want to unleash a Reckbomb on the rogue. So I turn off auto, and wait for the new crits to build up stacks. Target rogue and get ready to hit auto to Bomb away.

DO NOT Right Click to target someone. This puts you on Auto Attack, obviously defeating the purpose. Get used to left clicking for your targets, or keybind Nearest Enemy/Previous Enemy. This is essentially all about controlling every aspect of your auto attack, and being mindful of your targeting.

If you’re chasing a ranged unit, every time they’re out of range for your attack, turn Auto-Attack off. You will still maintain stacks as you’re targeting them, but this way any new stacks you get can be used against another target if you find yourself needing to swap targets. In my video, you can clearly see that I maintain my stacks as I change targets, while auto attack is off. Now at one point, when I tried this weeks ago, this was not very reliable. I don’t know if they stealth changed anything, or perhaps my change in mindset made this more reliable, but I now rarely see stacks lost if I do this correctly.

Oh, to clarify. If you do keep auto attack on, and you’re out of range, and you build stacks, your next in-range attack will unleash your stacks. Again, as long as you don’t swap targets while your auto-attack is on, you will keep them on your current target.

I think I read someone claiming stacks were lost when healing or bubbling. In my video I show that it’s not the case. I don’t know if mounting still makes you lose stacks or not as I didn’t have a situation where I was able to fully test that, but I can confirm that you can still gain stacks while mounted and unleash when you dismount.

Basically what it comes down to is being much more mindful of your environment, and you have to fully commit before unleashing your Reckbomb. Try it for yourself and see how it works for you. If you’re finding it’s not working for you, try to record your game play and watch it. You may be able to catch why the stacks didn’t go off. Maybe you accidentally targeted someone else. Maybe you forgot to turn auto-attack off? Just assess your gameplay before making conclusions. It’s still not perfect as there are some rare occasions where I’m still “WTF just happened?”. But, I’ve played at least 50 AV games doing this and I’ve been pretty satisfied with my overall Reckbomb control and results.

Edit: If anyone is still interested, I’m finding that having stacks and then mounting, the stacks will remain. Not a lot of opportunity to thoroughly test this, but of the few times I had stacks and had the opportunity to mount (assuming no target swaps, and basic principles as explained above), I found I was able to unload them later. Anyone else doing Reck now, please test and confirm.

TL;DR = Do not swap targets while you have auto attack on!

** Note ** : If you’re going to complain that Sitting/critting doesn’t work, or BoS isn’t procing Crits/Stacks, or any other Bugs/exploits and PServer shenanigans isn’t working, then get over it. This is not about abusing any of that crap.

Good luck, everyone!

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looks good. not targeting someone is probably the best advice.

So…

It is still bugged and acting like combo points that disappear when turning off AA (for any reason) because blizzard could not fix the ’ /StartAA /stopAA ’ abuse.

Sweet…

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Not sure if this is avoidable if someone starts attacking you while you have no one targeted, as it auto targets them. I don’t think this can be turned off. It’s also good to have so you know which ranged unit has their sites on you, especially in WPvP. It’s really about carefully managing your auto attack. With that said, you could always keep yourself self-targeted whenever you have no target, to prevent auto targeting from occurring.

So I did not play Reck Pally before this AV came out, which is before all their hotfixes. Can you confirm that before this time, when you had stacks of Reckoning, you could have AA on someone… and assuming you’re not in range to unleash it… then swap over to another target, you are then able to unleash the stack on the new target? And again, this is based on using just the Auto Attack, not the macro.

If so, then yes it’s probably still bugged. Because the current way that it behaves, it seems to push your Reck stacks to some kind of “Cache” toward the player you have AA on. When you change target during that time, the “Cache” of stacks are lost.

But if you have AA off, and gain stacks, you can target anyone and your stacks will remain until you have AA on someone, which then puts that stack into that specific player “Cache”… if that makes sense.

While this sucks, relative to what might’ve worked before, it’s manageable until it gets fixed (if ever), based on what I mentioned above.

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first off, do you have a weakaura or an addon that shows you your number of swings banked? i reckbombed MINORLY back in phase 1 before they nerfed. i never had a way of knowing i had the charges. i always procced them after i respawned and was always pretty surprised.

Unfortunately I haven’t found anything reliable to have a good visual indicator of what we have banked. I’ve mainly been relying on Redoubt to also proc, to give me the audio cue that I’ve at least proc’d a stack (assuming the above conditions are met). The problem is who ever may be making a Reckon Counter right now, needs to have to all those clunky conditions taken into consideration. So there’s extra coding to check if auto attack is on, if you’re already targeting someone, if you’re swapping targets, etc.

If you don’t have Redoubt for your audio cue, then perhaps try one of the scroll text addons. I recently re-enabled Mik’s scrolling combat text addon, and disabled everything except basic trigger events, which will show up in big words “Reckoning” when it also procs. The rest is really just keeping mental tabs of what I have banked.

I recall back in Vanilla, someone made a Reckbomb counter that looked like rogue combo points. That was awesome… too bad it won’t work in the current version.

I used luna unit frames to track how many reck stacks i had saved up.
I still use the addon cause i like the way it looks.
Maybe give it a look.

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Interesting. I’ll check it out to see how well it tracks it, given the quirky conditions. Thanks!

You can use weakaura’s to detect it. Although, it’s not perfect with the new changes it doesn’t reset when you die. I think I heard you lose it when you mount too and this doesn’t reset for that. I have a link for it put strangely enough it wont allow me to post it.

Below is a weak aura import string. It wouldn’t allow me to post a link directly to the website to download so this is the only way I could share it.

!TE16onUru43fKwTG6sGeGTOkTvYqmSzBiHMXS3(HVG944zXzMu7XazvL12(i0xG2hbKQQuLAv7Rq4nQNZm2Xo3GvTvGSJN5CBoNVZLXUPTLnzKnjWMKAtA1O5bn2h)cwDs)WWuQ0U32np8aBY10KuMGB3d(9WyXnDzCAQDVdTjj0HWgwtgtTjmFGeIhNnYtIuJs3JPElveWfC4zqwIAFh9IPuGTGuBj8tPxI8ZN8qgNLg9ztpWXvu6yJ0XuF5aKg7lX9JdpxW4WUhB2ZYCGnXxiIde3WndgsrsUTYz88chaUm((DLBTlOyAQVn5CVyVagp3Da1)kbNXhM7cNl)RsZDLjWBAsJC3JMaeWUIkLE5U7K7o9NM(B3)P7)HP3n9pM(73)JtVB7P)m8Z7M(Nt)TP)60)6(pbE2mzKiP)y80LchBP2gosKeqtkTO3wZI84(adlC688l5Na(pL72plvkgHkiXZHYVUrPb)ICx8GjCkO4O6rP6raL3fC0HSH6DYsITjrs540VANDUXBOObtStZw7EC6RhmYAhWnEdlqgz3B)d129XIyrcWBVMQ)BPEUN65(4tL8FusqjPbJxMjLcEFa5g7nbShgGYpj79toH9(OGpmQkkBrVv2ML6DzmnaDIGZIMW9IFDjMV1(fYnI5FfG7trDrKc)zzfnBU3UTaht2LduPdPAJebMGWDUMLYaPdEpsIq6jPOkTj963ZSmgvpQP4juWL6ds)lS62bPuTEAKxW8b5zKdNVe2hZD)2mVaifaawww12MW(ivFy0cQc3BCHv)IvLkl7j(L217wurA9xpyTRksSRksSBvKqr9kbGQD(mILf5VzxQnQAcCjR6da8KfozbDOT1AeRqPEXJJ8uHqmOs89Gid(fKDjWqKwfNK4nIQdaKJhyA2ZM8rbKbGQmIYggj1q3qKoIe93kPKLsRqZaAkGLogaGDuLgBU3bhEylvIsaRwwSo7sJkcZ4Qe0n3k)v5U6)sOYSeOKYI5NVIYdQaYqg1yfitvhgFZreQQewSWtvxhR9PQlNflzL5TGn74h7baBGjj4p4QQcPqTl03S3EkBurq1YKZn6A0UtVviRcrCeslG5wqDaryU4SYJGktydhcw6SSMmEXsA3t1hqn2lZcd1XLxA298tUOBv5RzUo61G(FwUBJgnQ5fzH5UQDG6AqHTnoVRX7mh4020O9gqT5ikVI2Y)2E7vwtSIqACkDrbFrVowoTnoZ4uZ1k4yba8YD9Zss0mM7Ekv2HJIrKmPJKocAYE1MBGOhAYgpB(9Hak8rOyZnod6W(spEaUYgBT1YAcTUzQj)7Frnye2Doc4DDgz5FpIpyTKxj)xuzdRLTT3ECcuOyZccxXrbG7pSNViKQkc0P3PoVP)GUTFSyalTd0hK5f3vmKXFgUWakMWaGZlykBhasR2XopVARi0dSmWlGN7ffv12)V4XFuhYX9p7idlNU9p1X81GBX5IEN0Pl4DmFu3cu4TusWh0yyOPnBTus1cmXHQH1z4GhJbOGuCCN215P5JQLAoLsEE(A5bDjAZsb(VaIx9GpNLzTvHFywv25CQ1Lsnpc6BjNB2TRJ5BTgy4yyzzC83q24FtCDP1(IC3MRxeOLSelFDU7(LNJvPJ9xZXQeZS4r7ny2ZSsyIK1qXzDiKhaj9FcnpN5UuRqzsgTO)NYSGlW8ay9C3Af7N9X8LjaOrvDB9SWkWjlOOXeP1Un)YdXgsiCAUw3L31agUldSe)iO5wHHPAjIaoSFyb1rSaGAjBemXj0SdgcNObJkInVfgrNOYlcuDKvYUSjh2)JejUPpmprQ6Tb007AQU1lVqr60QGcJex1rmMctPatLaxkt6hT5tFs6t3snFLYoppHgYUfM2br1ZS9xs9IHP0HwRXXP(EQXkk5GawcYHZXgelhILXalTQSjt)LP3bxM5VXBWGxMr7olDBOVCjkGrajfZha)8bhcyP(9BTaUWvHlEq7CvrIfoZRXZSYi(8XOI4F24ayy)IPovbjl9H4mravDGHPd)G6qGXpp(KYRWCsc97YOC)jW8MnADaEl1rxJWJMn2RXUBxElCkFiEfQM6lFcwscQVlrPCnS8(TahnE3RoTbolV7fSR9)8d

Luna unit frames requires that you have 5/5 redoubt talent to work. Use the weak aura import string I posted below.

Interesting. I did have 5/5 redoubt and did try Luna, but similar to what you mentioned about Weak Aura, it doesn’t reset when dead, which still kinda requires you to keep mental tabs of the whole process anyway. Nonetheless, I’ll give it a shot to see if it can still be helpful to some.

Oh, and I can also confirm that Mounting does not make you lose stacks. I feel like they’ve been stealth changing reckoning. At one point, Blue said mounting should reset stacks, as that’s how it functions in vanilla 1.12. However, having fully tested this a couple weeks back, I found that mounting with stacks, will keep the stacks. So mount up with confidence!

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