Has anyone figured out if this is dead in tww yet? From what i can read about the class tree changes and from the tooltip of one of the new talents (swap form on wrath casts) the wording makes it seem like the form is being removed for specs with the wording “if learned”
I know catweaving is better but i really liked going boomie as resto for the aestetic (probobly why im enjoying restokin so much in sod rn)
Without moonkin form for resto Owlweaving is probably dead. The straight 10% loss of damage output will be hard to compete with catweaving - particularly when Wildstalker synergizes well with catweaving, and keeper of the grove doesn’t really do much for owlweaving. Catweavers still gain ALL the damage bonuses of wildstalker, while owlweavers get ONLY healing boosts from half the tree, because damage boosts are functionally locked behind treants that don’t have a damage function for resto.
As you note, catweaving is better but owlweaving viable currently. Based on the changes I expect the gap between the two to grow substantially to where owlweaving struggles to be viable.
Seems like it would be very good with Master Shapeshifter, Call of the Elder Druid/Heart of the wild, and the new Fluid Form talent, but apparently Moonkin form is now for balance druids only. Really confusing how they made all this synergy for moonkin form except non-balance druids can’t even use it.
It’s also a bit confusing because master shapeshifter in our resto tree still specifies moonkin form. If we are no longer able to even get moonkin form then why is that still their and it also makes that talent completely useless. Wildstalkers will choose liveliness because bloodvines are another dot. The other hero tree should choose master shapeshifter since all their damage will be magical from starfire, wrath, starsurge, and dots. But without moonkin form what’s the point?
Moonkin form should be baseline, I loved Owlweaving, I’m horrible at melee.
Then they add Fluid Form which would of made Owlweaving insanely smoother and 100% better but then completely remove it as Resto… how is this fair 
It absolutely should. It’s so strange, their obsession with mixing and matching core class abilities across the specs…
Like I understand mookin was originally in the balance tree only but we’ve gotten to a point where the idea of “weaving” is core to so many specs/classes like fistweaving for monks or damage dealing to heal for disc priests, so if that has been the way of things, it’s bizarre not to include moonkin form in this design approach.
But if they give moonkin to everyone, all specs will be able to use Flap to escape from combat! We’d reach unprecedented levels of convenience, being able to ‘nope’ out of any fight ever by just engaging near a cliffside, jumping off, then gracefully flying through the air like an eagle piloting a blimp!
/s
(…I don’t want to lose moonkin form on my guardian druids. 
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While I can empathize with the druid who will miss the ability to owlweave if moonkin form remains confined to balance druids, I would be lying if I said part of my kitty heart wasn’t glad that this would ensure I would never have to owlweave as part of my feral DPS rotation ever again.
We can already do that, its called shadowmeld lol. To be honest I hate that they are taking away from the other specs. Especially since, I use flap when i get dismounted in pvp. Looks like I will be going back to travel form for the last second wild charge.
It looks like keeper of the grove leans more into using balance dps spells with buffs to starsurge, wrath, starfire, while whildstalkers leans more into using cat abilities, but still has some buffs for moonfire/sunfire to help with when you want to throw out a damage spell from ranged.
Cenarius’ might is confusing for me offensively though. It says starsurge will buff your next starsurge but only if you don’t cast any other spell. I mean star surge has a CD so what does that mean? you have to cast nothing?
I still want a glyph for fluid form to auto-shift you into treant form if you cast a heal.
What is this flap to escape from combat you speak of
You can buy a manual of Flap from a vendor in the class hall or in Moonglade – Flap is a moonkin-only spell that is a channeled slowfall.
A lot like the OP af shadowmeld ability that only one faction has. So yeah, you’re right, all other druids shouldn’t lose that while shadowmeld exists for alliance druids to interrupt/cancel VARIOUS casts/abilities, cheese-stealth/insta-flight form out of eveything, and get an extra stun bc insta-stealth/rake.
So, yes, Blizz, giving us baseline moonkin does not have nearly as many implications as that, for example.
Nelf/Alliance can do that ONLY.* You mean.
Yea, it was a joke. Did you stop reading after the word shadowmeld? The rest of my post stated I will miss flap. And as my picture shows, I’m a worgen. Not night elf.
My tone was meant to be sarcastic. I didn’t mean it seriously, just as in leave an inbalanced racial but get rid of a class form that’s harmless. Make it make sense, Blizz. That type of thing. 
I have a similar feeling about tireless pursuit. They sensed fun and class fantasy and are trying to remove it.
Ah I do apologize, I have always had a hard time reading sarcasm in text.
We all do for sure. 
More emojis helps. 
This frustrates me how Blizzard is killing Owlweaving, the most largest kick to the face is they finally add talents to double down on the shapeshifter fantasy, creating QoL and really providing and promoting reasons to shapeshift.
Example - Fluid Form, Master Shapeshifter, Call of the Elder Druid, Dream of Cenarius, Starlight Conduit. let’s not forget the Convoke in Moonkin form.
Then you have Keeper of the Grove Talents, Grove Inspiration, Blooming Infusion.
All which sort of feels like the tree was pushing for Resto to be Owlweaving. But then they straight up removed it, it’s if they always have to take one step forward 2 steps back.
All they needed to do was simple make Moonkin Form just like every other form baseline, and allow the play pick their preferred playstyle, Kittyweaving = Wildstalker, Owlweaving = Keeper of the Grove.
All they really needed to do was adjust Keeper of the Grove to have the same benefits and synergy Wildstalkers gets.
For example as Resto Keeper of the Grove,
So just like Wildstalker gaining literally both benefits of the dps/healing portion of the tree so would Keeper of the Grove as Resto.
While Wildstalker does flat out give a 5% increase to healing and damage while in cat form, Moonkin did provide Damage and Armour.
It really gob smacks me they removing Owlweaving when it’s really not hard to implement.
They keep mentioning Shapeshift fantasy and wanting to promote that into Resto then literally remove half the fantasy from Resto and essentially force a certain playstyle.
Don’t get me wrong if you prefer Kittyweaving your in absolute bliss, everything is double downing and enhancing that playstyle ten fold. But like others and myself who lean into Owlweaving as a Caster/Healing shapeshift fantasy, yeah sorry completely flat out gone.
While this change might be minor to some, it really has killed Druid for me, I love being Resto and love being a Moonkin, to me owlweaving was the perfect thing.
Bear Form for Defence, Cat Form for Mobility, Moonkin form for DPS, Night Elf/Tree Form for Healing, it essentially was the perfect harmony of using all forms.
It’s just too bad that there’s still a chance we will be “starweaving” now instead. We still get access to sunfire and free damage during downtime is still free. I hate it so much and I pray it won’t end up being a thing.