So, I recently leveled my Monk from 110 to 120 for the Dwarf Heritage Armor come Tuesday.
I managed to gear her up pretty nicely with the Warfront that was active and tonight, Alliance took control of Arathi, so I was able to kill Doom’s Howl and I was lucky enough to loot an Azerite Chestpiece.
I selected Overflowing Mists as the talent, because every site I saw said it was the superior option and was pretty solid as a mistweaver healing azerite trait.
“Your Enveloping Mists heal the target for X each time they take damage.”
However, after doing LFR with this trait on, I looked at my logs. Despite Enveloping Mists doing a rather large portion of my healing, especially on the tanks, Overflowing Mists was doing 0.5-0.7% of my healing on a 5 minute fight, and 0.8% on a 8-10 minute fight like G’huun.
So, I ended up opting to pay the reforging costs to spec into Stand as One, because I ended up figuring that the 253 Intellect from the proc would end up being better in the long run than the subpar amount of healing that Overflowing Mists was giving. (On top of the extra health to 5 party members when it procs)
However, I thought I’d ask - why is every site saying Overflowing Mists is a solid trait, when it doesn’t appear to be? I’ve had great experience with the other traits that the sites call solid. (The one that boosts Essence Font, the one that boosts Vivify and the one that gives haste from Renewing Mists) But this one is just… really bad. So why do so many sites recommend it? (Wowhead, Icy Veins, Peak of Serenity)
Am I just missing something?
Not sure what site you’re looking at, but Overflowing Mists is ranked the 4th best trait for dungeon healing.
I would suggest using Peak for your monk needs.
https://www.peakofserenity.com/bfa/mistweaver/guide/
~https://www.peakofserenity.com/bfa/mistweaver/azerite/
Peak rates it as a B on a scale of A-D.
In comparison, they rate Font of Life, “Your Essence Font’s initial heal is increased by X and has a chance to reduce the cooldown of Thunder Focus Tea by 1 sec.” a D for Dungeons, and a few other traits lower than it in raids that are clearly much better than it.
I do not trust Peak of Serenity entirely because of that.
As I said, I do not see at all how this trait is at all useful, and linking to a site I mention in the OP does not really help?
(And the site doesn’t even mention Stand as One, which despite being a PvP trait, is still a viable PvE trait)
And as it states in the rating, it depends entirely on how much you’re casting the ability. If you’re sitting on a tank, you’ll be casting it more often than if you’re raid healing. That’s why it’s not ranked as high and there are easily better traits for raid healing. You mentioned LFR specifically, where you’re likely to do more raid healing because, well… LFR will LFR. So Font of Life will hands down be a better trait for that. If you’re going to explicitly tanksit, then you’ll see more coming out of OM because you’ll be using it more often. I suppose it’s also worth mentioning that OM has an ICD to contend with as well.
For that matter, LFR is not a good judge of how well a trait works because there are too many healers by default. Which means there’s going to be an obscene amount of overheal and sniping.
I’ve never had any problems using Peak for reference points. Anything else I want to know I can simply ask in the discord.
Overflowing is THE BEST trait for arena healing. I think most MWers try to get 3 of those if possible for it. It’s very good especially if you can get off an EM on yourself before that Rogue CS/KS trains you.
For raid healing it’s pretty much the worst trait.
For dungeon healing it’s not bad for trash packs on the tank, but pretty bad for anything else.
Oh hey, good to know! I was actually talking with a group of friends last night about getting into arena again. Time to pick up a few of those traits now.
The peak site hasn’t been updated in a while.
The peak discord has some of the best MW in the world offering advice and answering questions.
When a question like this pops up - they’ll tell you to do a few raids and add your log data to the Peak of Serenity Red Crane spreadsheet to see which traits and stats and gear would best match your playstyle.
As said above, LFR is not a good measure for anything to do with healing - it is usually extremely overhealed.
Maizou your opinion on Font of Life and Peak’s ranking of it vexes me - FoL is pointless in dungeons, as EF is used solely to place its HoT on your group for double mastery healing, and is cancelled after this is achieved. FoL is powerful in raids because you allow EF to channel fully, and usually with an extension on its channeling time from the final talent row, allowing the increase on each bolt to show more drastic effect, and TFT’s CD to be severely reduced.
Ok, so here is a question now that we get this sweet buff to Life Cocoon.
How does overflowing mists stack compare to the new Life Cocoon azerite trait that reduces the cooldown by 20 seconds? If that stacks, in pvp and with the new PvP talent that is a 15 second CD Life Cocoon. Seems strong?
I’d say it’s worth taking 1 of now. Maybe 2 Overflowing and 1 Cocoon trait?
55s CD Cocoons that heal for 25k+ when it breaks with this trait + PvP trait looks pretty dang cool.
Overflowing Mist is a great trait, but rogues usually play with mages / offensive healers with purge, so you often won’t be able to keep that hot on yourself.
55s cocoon is great, but having the honor talents to run it is a problem. There are currently just a ton of great honor talents for MW (BEST PROBLEM). Most matchups you want either Surging Mist or Counteract Magic, if they are single target or rot. I run Crane in the vast majority of my matchups, which leaves one slot for a potential of like 4 great traits:
-Disarm
-Chrysalis
-Grapple Weapon
-Zen Focus Tea
I wouldn’t say that always running a Burst of Life / Chrysalis is the best play, against something like rShaman/Fury where there is a ton of kicks and single target damage, so you’ll want something like Surging / Zen / Grapple. Food for thought for sure.
Cdew is apparently giving up Surging Mist. He’s saying it seems not worth using in 3s. He’s taking Chrysalis 100% of the time and then his other 2 is dependant on the comp. I’ve seen him Run Chrys/Orbs/Counteract or Zen vs dot-heavy comps like SP/Boomies.
Yeah, Cdew really hates Crane, which is fair. I personally love Crane, so pretty much always run it. It’s SUPER FUN being able to keep your team up while running down a target.
I like Crane when we can kill. If we can’t kill then it’ll pretty much only serve to drain your mana quickly. I can understand him not liking crane since he’s playing in the 3k rated bracket which means the opposing team pretty much always has a counter strat for Crane. In the 1800s it’s still pretty useful when you catch your opponents off guard.
It also depends a lot on the comp you’re going into. If you’re going against a boomkin, it’s great. If you have a boomkin, it’s great since you can mitigate some of that cost. Against super dampening comps it isn’t the best play though.